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libra

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ac load switching
« on: July 07, 2006, 04:11:37 PM »
I am trying to pwm the ac output from the wind genny(before the recitfier) as a means of controlling the genny rpm (along with the furling). This genny will be able to generate high amps. I can find 10amp triacs but nothing much larger. Is there another way to pwm the wild ac that others have used?

I would appreciate some guidance.


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Re: ac load switching
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2006, 11:36:27 AM »
my first thought(without putting too much brain power into it), but maybe too late since your genny maybe already together, or at least the coils.


but maybe make the coils go a higher voltage so the amps will be less.

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Re: ac load switching
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2006, 11:41:55 AM »
TIC263 triacs can handle 25A, from memory.


Here's the datasheet. Yes, 25A:


http://www.datasheetarchive.com/datasheet.php?article=3281561


Should be easy to get, at least, I've never had problems obtaining them. Almost as common as the TIC216 and TIC226


Larger ones probably exist too; check out farnell.com (in Europe).


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Re: ac load switching
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2006, 12:52:15 PM »
A triac is like two SCRs in parallel with opposite polarity.


Most high power control circuits use SCRs because they can be obtained with high current ratings up to hundreds of amperes.


I think the trend today is to use FETs instead.

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Re: ac load switching
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2006, 01:06:00 PM »
I wondered about using triacs to fire fets...

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Re: ac load switching
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2006, 02:18:55 PM »
Voltage losses are in this order  Worst TRIAC, SCR, TRANSISTOR, FET  Best.
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Re: ac load switching
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2006, 02:34:09 PM »
I've been mulling over a design that would use caps and FETs on wild three phase to make synchronous 120V 60hz AC and battery level DC with any surplus.  It's non trivial of course, but potentially very efficient and robust.


Remember that anything inefficient will generate a lot of heat and you'll need to dump that heat somehow-somewhere.

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Re: ac load switching
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2006, 04:08:46 AM »
Why do you want to switch the AC?


Surely using a high current bridge and some fets would be cheapest and easiest?


High current bridges are cheap and fets are also cheap and easier to switch than driving a bank of thyristors.

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libra

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Re: ac load switching
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2006, 10:30:07 AM »
I guess I have not made myself entirely clear. I still have a 100 amp rectifier but thought that switching the ac when shutting the genny down or as a safety feature if there were high amps ( say 50 amps on a 24v system) the pic would pulse the genny and slow it down. Yes, I will still have the furling tail but this would be a backup.

I read the mail and have seen others where the high amps have burnt the stator.

I could pulse the  rectified dc but thought that this would be easier on the diodes etc.


Appreciate learning what others have found best.


Libra

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