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A Cold Day for Maintenance
« on: January 02, 2012, 09:00:35 PM »
Twas the night after christmas, and all 'round the house, not a creature was stirring, except the turbine,
which had picked up an awful growling sound. Can't be good, so I shut it down for the night to check on
it in the morning. It was windy in the AM, but instead of starting up promptly when I released the shut-down
switch, the blades merely crept around and started making that nasty noise again. Not good.



From the ground I tried a few tests, which made a short-circuit between wires seem likely. I disconnected
the wires at the base of the tower, and most showed continuity, picking up the resistance in the generator's
windings. Then I found one pair with virtually no resistance at all. A short-circuit? Where? Anywhere in the
tower from top to bottom. The tower would have to come down. I haven't tipped the tower down since
the fall of 2010. The winch and all the necessary tools were still in place, and I had the sense, last time, to
write notes about doing it properly. The only snag was noticing that the winch needed grease when the
tower was half-way down, but the grease-gun was still in the garage. Something to add to my notes.

Once the tower was down, I set about looking for the fault. I disconnected the generator, and checked all
of its wires for continuity through each phase, and shorts across phases. All Okay (whew!). Then I checked
the tower wires. In the photo below the meter is seeing no resistance ("0.000") in two wires that are
supposed to be separate. The problem is definitely a short between these wires in the tower.



Come to think of it, I remember a day, not long ago, when the wind shifted from west, to north, then east,
then completed a full 360 degree turn by the next morning. Opening the top of the wire conduit, I can easily
see how twisted the wires are now. There must be half a dozen twists in the wire. Since this could be the
cause of the problem, I swivel the whole thing around and around about 4 or 5 times until these wires come
back straight. Short-circuit disappears. I think I am at the bottom of the mystery, but it means that there is
damage to the wire insulation, somewhere inside the tower head. It has to come apart now, too.



When I got the tower's head apart, I saw the source of the trouble. These two wires were scraped during
all the twisting, scraped in the same place, and then further twisting brought the two bare wires together.
I replaced these wires, by splicing in new lengths of wire. I finished this just as the sun sets. During these
short winter days (9AM to 4PM) there isn't much time to get a lot of work done. What work I can do is
hindered by the stiffness of these cold wires. The wind came up in the afternoon, carrying dark clouds with
it. I came back into the house chilled to the bone.





The next day it's even colder, and a hoar-frost has settled on everything. I get out a hair-dryer to remove
the ice crystals before re-assembling the wires and terminals (water must not contaminate any electrical joint,
even when it's frozen). While the tower is down, I have this opportunity to examine everything, including
looking in the generator to see the state of the magnets inside (excellent) and the condition of the blades
(minor wear). The tail hinge was fine too (last year I found a fatigue crack in it). Finally satisfied that it could
go back up in the air, lifting the tower took just a few minutes to prepare, a few minutes to carry through,
and a few more minutes to tidy up afterward. I always seem to bring out every tool I own, and a spare, while
doing jobs like these!

There wasn't enough wind to start it yesterday when I raised it, but it finally re-started in the wind this morning. 
Nice and quiet.  Ahhh.
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Re: A Cold Day for Maintenance
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2012, 09:29:16 PM »
Hate to hear about something like this... At least though it wasn't major (pronounced "expensive") to fix.

If I am seeing the third picture correctly, the wires are going through a 90 here, yes?

And rubbing on [what appears to be] the pipe stock coming up into [what I believe to be] a tee?

I didn't see that you mentioned making remedy for this situation anywhere in the post... hopefully "the fix" is only left out of the story, and not the tower?  :-\

I probably don't have to tell you that this won't be the last time you'll see this problem crop up if the latter is the case.

Either way, you're back up and running. Always a good thing. :)

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Re: A Cold Day for Maintenance
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2012, 10:00:03 PM »
spar-
bummer it had to get fussy while it's colder than cold! 

i used about two foot or so of that clear flexible (vinyl??) water tubing over the top of my cables to create a wear buffer at the very top of the tower.  just slide the topmost portion of the cables through the tubing, and you've got some serious "jacketing".  keep the tubing from sliding down by hose clamping it to the wire...

maybe you already took some measures. 

hooray that it wasn't a new stator or bad magnets ect. that needed fixing!

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Re: A Cold Day for Maintenance
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2012, 10:23:55 PM »
Don't you just love winter?

I find that my fingers are as stiff as the wire insulation in that type weather.

Cold mucks up everything. Even if your hands are warm any tool out in the weather becomes an instant heat sink.

Makes those little huts the phone guys use when doing winter repairs look like a wish list item.  ;D

I use a Kellum Grip on mine:



Glad you got it sorted.

Tom

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Re: A Cold Day for Maintenance
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2012, 11:11:48 PM »
I use them things like what Tom has too.  Except I never knew it was called a Kellum Grip.  Around here we call 'em a Chinese Basket Wire Gripper Thing.  And if I walk into Viking Electric and tell the guy I need a Chinese Basket Wire Gripper Thing he knows exactly what I'm talking about too   ;D

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Re: A Cold Day for Maintenance
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2012, 12:43:25 AM »
I recall someone calling them Chinese handcuffs.

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Re: A Cold Day for Maintenance
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2012, 12:43:42 AM »
SparWeb,

I remember you commenting on my tower top stub and mentioning what you did on yours.
You stated in hind sight maybe you would have done it differently.  
I did 3 1/2" pipe over 3" pipe and have lots of room with the kellum grip for the wires to twist
down the tower.  

Looks like a slip ring project or tower top mod is in your future.
Keep us posted,  We love the fixes people come up with and share,
so we all can learn to keep 'em up in the air.

Happy New Year.
« Last Edit: January 03, 2012, 01:02:59 AM by 97fishmt »

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Re: A Cold Day for Maintenance
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2012, 12:56:35 AM »
Yup lots of hind-sight and all that.  All I have is a temporary fix because I don't have a Kellum grip handy nor could I use one effectively with my set-up anyway.  I'd say I have 6 months before trouble come a-knockin' again but at least it will be warm by then.  The permanent fix is a big job, either slip-rings or a re-build of the tower.  Seriously.

When I built my tower, I made the horrible error of using through-bolts to fasten the sections.  This "locks-in" the drop wires in the upper section.  The cables only "just" fit in the pie-shaped space between the bolt and the inside of the pipe.  From the top-stub attachment bolt, to the swivel of the genny mount, there is only about 5 feet.  This is very vulnerable to twisting and even a Kellum grip won't help (it's designed to support tension, not twist).  Don't make the mistake I made!  When the tower's inside is clear all the way down, the cable has lots of free hanging length to twist around.  Mine is clamped tight every 20 feet so the freedom to twist is only 5 feet long.  It gets wound up like a phone cord in there.

Last summer I wanted to replace the tower's bolting scheme with clamped sleeves, but never got round tuit...  I PAY FOR IT NOW!
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Re: A Cold Day for Maintenance
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2012, 01:54:36 AM »
spar-
don't feel bad.  ARE (abundant renewable energies) made their towers the same way with the through bolts.  their towers costed them LOTS of $$$ in engineering/practicality.  and they still "got it wrong".    shorts in many of their towers in the pendant cable. 

i'm sure you'll make some awesome couplers, and MAYBE replace the wire to boot??

then you'll be happier than an off gridder running led's!

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Re: A Cold Day for Maintenance
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2012, 03:34:10 AM »
I am glad you got it up and running without major expense.  Hopefully your fix will last as long as the original wire took to wear through.  I wonder if a wire lube, such as those used in pulling wire through conduit would help with the friction between the wires. At any rate it should hopefully get you to warmer weather. 

Now if your going to start with a Christmas carol such as a visit from St. Nicholas, then something on the order of:

Twas the night after Christmas, and all round the house
not a creature was stirring except for the whirring
of a home built turbine
when all of a sudden it started to whine
I would have ignored it and slept if I could
but I thought to myself this couldn't be good
I rose up and put on my dressing gown
and went about the business of shutting it down
In the morning I got up
and started it up
it started off slowly
but I hoped that if only
it would not make the clatter
last night's quiet it did shatter
but alas it did make
that noise and a quake . . . .

I'm certainly no poet, but you get the idea.  Have fun up there in the north.  Rich
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Re: A Cold Day for Maintenance
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2012, 12:54:11 PM »
Hi

When I needed a way of pulling several wires up the mast on a boat I stripped a length of heavy coax, the sort you fit N connectors to,. It used to work a treat.

It was also fun to get an apprentice to poke his fingers into either end of about 9 ins of the stuff and watch him try to get them out.

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Re: A Cold Day for Maintenance
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2012, 05:40:50 PM »
Now if your going to start with a Christmas carol such as a visit from St. Nicholas, then something on the order of:
...
I'm certainly no poet, but you get the idea.  Have fun up there in the north.  Rich

Oh good job!  Thanks!  I was tempted to go farther with it myself... especially with the original line "when out on the lawn there arose such a clatter".  Perfect wording!
... Away to the turbine I flew like a flash, tore open the panels, and threw down the switch!

Those of you who haven't heard it:  like a baby crying, like a car starting with a dead battery, like fingernails on a chalkboard, it's every sound you've heard and hated all wrapped up in one.
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