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artv

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Re: batteries??
« Reply #33 on: December 18, 2010, 07:51:13 PM »
Hi... JW can you use this stuff for anything? Is the white stuff aluminum sulfate? thanx...... artv

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« Reply #34 on: December 18, 2010, 08:34:59 PM »

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« Reply #35 on: December 19, 2010, 03:50:43 AM »
    What the compounds on your electrodes are would depend on what's in your water. Without knowing that a guess is the best anyone could do. As to what's going on and how to improve the cells... there are dozens of websites that deal with this. Start searching and see what you find. 10 minutes of Googling for "water battery" and "copper aluminum battery" found me these:

http://www.arizonaenergy.org/AltEnergyClub/homemade%20batteries.pdf

http://www.funsci.com/fun3_en/electro/electro.htm

    Lot of information out there. Just need to start looking.

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« Reply #36 on: December 20, 2010, 06:37:34 PM »
If you really want to play with this sort of thing, look into aluminum-air batteries.  Your aluminum cans might be worth more than the deposit.  Aluminum is refined electrically from aluminum oxide because the latter has the highest heat-of-formation of any compound, making purely chemical extraction energetically infeasable.  You can get much of that juice back out - at quite high power density.

Caution:  Aluminum is WAY toxic - including neruotoxic.  Use extreme care when smelting your used cans into cast electrodes and when discarding the bauxite cleaned out of the batteries when you install new electrodes.  Especially don't get exposed to fumes and be sure to carefully dispose of battery leftovers as toxic waste.

(Your body can't excrete Aluminum.  Instead it has an extreme barrier against absorption, attempts to clear the little that gets past the barrier by laying it down in bone, and once that's full your brain is toast.  Look up "dialysis disease".  Symptoms just like Alzheimers.  Patients got it from early artificial kidneys, limiting how long they could be on dialysis.  At first they thought it was from something a natural kidney cleared that wasn't getting removed by the artificial versions.  Eventually the docs figured out it was Aluminum poisoning - from the few atoms released by the water bath container and diffusing directly into the blood - and switched to stainless.)
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