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Self Made Solar Hot Water Heater Using Thermosiphon
« on: January 06, 2012, 06:50:18 AM »
 Greetings all;
 This last summer, I made a solar hot water heater for my family, using slant fin radiators, and a treated lumber box 3 foot wide & 11 feet long. I used thermosiphon to have it heat water in our 80 gallon hot water tank, and it riases temperatures on water from 55-60 degrees when it goes out to the collector to 125-130 degrees on return. I installed it on July 1, and we used it for almost all of our hot water (North Idaho) until about October 1.
 I like it because it's simple, and doesn't need any electricity to run it. I wrote an article on it, and put it on our website at <link removed> .
 Hope it's helpful-
Chris

you need to have 50 posts to post links here usually specially links to your site were your selling something.
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Re: Self Made Solar Hot Water Heater Using Thermosiphon
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2012, 09:19:59 AM »
Very nice! Only thing that I would ask would to have a few pictgures of the manifold for those who aren't too sure what parrallel manifolds are.
Also as a side snicker  ;D might change the HOT water heater to just water heater.  The HVAC guys always picked on me about this too. WAS how do you heat HOT water? doesn't that make steam  ;D ;D.

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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2012, 10:18:48 AM »
Nice or not:

It used to be frowned on to post external links to commercial sites in first posts.

You got by doing it 5 times in 5 initial posts.

Not only that but I understand your blog does not allow posts or external links. Period. So why do you do it here?

This is  completely in violation of the rules on this forum and is very unfriendly..

Just saying...




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Re: Self Made Solar Hot Water Heater Using Thermosiphon
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2012, 11:27:02 AM »
Bruce-
 Man, you have a point!
I never thought about it the way you said it, but you;re right, how do you "heat" hot water????
 Changes will get made....

TomW-
I didn't know I was "getting by" with anything. I thought I was being HELPFUL to others after I did a LOT of work.

I don't have a "blog".

The links I  posted here aren't to a "Blog" or a "Forum" so it's not so much that "posting external links"  or "posts" aren't "allowed" on my site, it's more that it isn't a "Blog", as you said it was.

However, if what you are after is links to this site, I would be HAPPY to oblige. I am trying to share information, and I have no fear of anyone leaving my site to get information from anywhere. If you NOTICE on my articles, I link to most everywhere you can get parts or information. I'm not trying to "keep people on my site", as if they like it they will return, for certain.

As to my posting being "unfriendly" I have no idea what you mean by that. I was trying to show others what I had done. If this is unfriendly, how?

As to it being in violation of the rules on this forum, I will adhere to the rules, and worry not, I won't post another link to information on this site, since it's "unfriendly". Please tell me where are the rules posted?

All I was trying to do was SHARE. I posted them all at one time because that was when I HAD TIME to do it. It was for your Member's benefit, not mine. My work is almost done, I have more to share, but I'm not going to write & photoessay it here, as it would be repetitive, and it'll be on my site anyways.

I don't sell or charge anything to anyone regarding any of this. The site I post my articles on is a Real Estate website. None of the people here are looking to move, and I haven't nor will solicit anyone to sell them anything. If that's not good enough, than I don't know what to say.
Chris
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Re: Self Made Solar Hot Water Heater Using Thermosiphon
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2012, 11:52:15 AM »
A solid start on RE with some good land husbanding thrown in but heavy on monster-stomping other website communities.... With the source already written a good cut-n-paste session would spread the word effortlessly without appearing like a hit-count troll, and the yelling and shouting about trying to share is a little hokey when it's defending linking to a for-profit website.

And a hot-water heater is the same as a hot-water pipe - even when empty of water or just drawn on paper it is still a 'hot-water-pipe' that leads back to the 'hot-water-heater'.

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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2012, 12:28:50 PM »
Chris;
As Tom said, it used to be that putting links into your first posts were frowned upon.
The MAIN reason I did not nuke the links, was what seemed to be a goodly amount of work actually done and posted.
Probably I should have nuked the links and sent a kind reply stating so.
However This being a New Year and all, I left them there for others to view as well, that and the fact you actually posted in the correct areas lead me to be kinder than normal.
The website and Blogs others are speaking about are on the website the links are posted with.
IF you setup the website , then possibly you could build within the site a bland area that doesn't have the other stuff on there.
OR for now, the best would be to possibly do a quick cut-n-paste with pics included.

ALL, since I did not see these links to be all that bad (Others have been far far worse) it was MY decision NOT to NUKE them.
ADMINS and other GM may override me IF they wish. Otherwise they stay as they are.
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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2012, 12:54:06 PM »
Dan, what is "monster stomping other website communities"? I don't recall saying anything about any other "communities", anywhere.

I guess I don't get it. Are you concerned that I'm stealing traffic from you; or selling some kind of off-grid magic that you or a sponsor does?

Bruce, I tried hard to be respectful, and the primary reason I didn't cut and paste is bacause I can't replicate the pictures, enlarging, etc, if I cut & paste. On my site, the information is primarily for my Clients, as they have asked me repeatedly to put it "on the web", so I didn't do this in any way exclusively for this or any other forum. A lot of my Clients are off gridders, but ones that are moving (here). The users here, I think; are all about staying where they are, so I didn't see them as possible new customers.

No disrespect was intended, at all. If you or the Mods or anybody wishes that reciprocal links be put on my site, I'd be happy to do it. Like I was saying, it was about sharing, and this wan't a "I sell windmills & solar panels, come to my site" type of thing. "Husbandry to Real Estate", yes, sure, but I have DONE these things, and I didn't pay anyone to do it for me, and I do understand all of it. Posting here was an afterthought, for me, past doing the articels for my Clients.
 Again, no disrespect intended, I didn't know I was breaking any rules, I searched for them after the fact & couldn't find them.
Chris

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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2012, 01:15:28 PM »
Hi Chris,

We have a lot of trouble with people SPAMming commercial links from anything to snake-oil perpetual motion machines to Nike trainers.

I also came to the conclusion that your links weren't of that form, so did not nuke them, though technically against the rules here.

We're REALLY grouching about the scummy cheap and greedy SPAMmers that eat up our time and good will.  Possibly a majority (or a hefty minority) of the time I spend on this site is dealing with them, mainly in filtering people requesting access.  So we're a little tense on that issue.  %-P

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Re: Self Made Solar Hot Water Heater Using Thermosiphon
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2012, 02:14:27 PM »
Hi Damon-
Thanks, kindly, for the clarification.
 As to spamming, if I was going to spam anybody, I'd have a product to send them to; directly, (and the spam would be about the product) and I SURE wouldn't spam anyone who I didn't think would want my product. This forum is all about (from what I've seen) people who are into doing off-grid or on grid power stuff, wind, sola, batteries, a TON of it very creative, and technically, very able. I've sat & read a vast amount of posts here, and much of it is very interesting, but to my knowledge almost nobody here would have ANY interest in what I sell. It's just flatly the wrong people to market to, period.
 I do market what I sell, though, and spend what (for me) is a substantial amount of money every month doing it. Probably 40% of my Cliebtele are either Active Duty or just retired Military, so you can judge for yourself where I'd really want to market to. If I thought this forum would be the one to do it on, I'd be all over sponsoring something or just digging deeper into the site to find more ways into people's faces. That's not the case, so again, trying to share info. Period.

My primary goal here is sharing what I know & learning from others. I have NO intention of selling anything here, and no intention of irritating or offending anyone. If you don't want me to post a link to what I put together, no problem. I just didn't want to be redundant, and thoguth it would be easier for me to post the link.

NO OFFENSE INTENDED, I am NOT a "spammer".
 

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« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2012, 02:26:33 PM »
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Dan, what is "monster stomping other website communities"? I don't recall saying anything about any other "communities", anywhere.

If a thing is worth doing it is worth doing twice, your actions imply we are not worthy of anything more than teaser intro's and five links?

Among the valid concerns active here is what if your website vanishes tomorrow, there's then a solid block of dead-space in these forums. The folks here have been doing this forum since at least "March, 2001" and know a thing or two. How about getting a grip and earning a spot instead of all this arm-waving and yelling?

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I guess I don't get it. Are you concerned that I'm stealing traffic from you; or selling some kind of off-grid magic that you or a sponsor does?

Wow - you realize many other forum members have their own careers & well-groomed website ventures but don't ever mention them?

At least a few self-made dollaraires, thousandaires and even millionaires contribute here without anything more than their 'name tag' to write them forever into this DIY
"The CUTTING EDGE of Low Technology® and/or The BLUNT EDGE of high technology®" Year Book. You've been extended a courtesy by not having your posts redacted (yet) but you insist on making a public spectacle out of good people trying to keep at least a semblance of order in the forums.

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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2012, 04:03:33 PM »
i checked your site and it appeared to me you were in fact selling real-estate from the site and we do not allow people to post links to there sites specially ones were there selling things until we know them a bit usually 50 posts otherwise every person looking to increase there standing on Google would come do a flyby link posting on us and we would have a mess. if you would like to go back and add some on site content to your posts that would be great. 

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Re: Self Made Solar Hot Water Heater Using Thermosiphon
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2012, 04:05:00 PM »
I have been kicking up dust around her for quite a while, I responded to a post Chris made about his well, this I did before seeing the extent of his other posts made in quick succession. I believe the posts would have been better made in a diary and not just links to his realty site, they fit this category, his projects are not revolutionary but do relate to what he has achieved at his residence and are good achievements.

Future posts should be as diary entries, although how many projects he has left i don't know, and he can make reference to his real estate site at the bottom of the post as others do, this allows the reader the option, just how I personally would prefer to see such projects.

Why? well if it is posted as a diary then the information is there not off site and any responses can be made and read on this site, as it stands all readers need to go to his site to see the project then back here to read responses. As they stand it is messy and will continue to attract criticism, and yes it is blatant pimping of his site.

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Re: Self Made Solar Hot Water Heater Using Thermosiphon
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2012, 04:28:56 PM »
To All;
My very humble and formal apologies to all.
 I realize now that the posts I made should have been made under "Diary" or not at all. I had no idea that it would start something wherein I would be called someone who is "blatantly pimping" my own site, or that I had somehow "implied that you were not worthy of anything more than 5 teaser links" and that I "need to get a grip".

This was never intended, by me, to be anything other than shared information, and there was NO reason for the $#|+ty commentary about it.

Just delete the posts, I didn't do them for the reasons I was attacked over, and obviously this won't end. I've watched this happen before, and now I'm stuck in it after I did absolutely nothing wrong.
Chris
 

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« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2012, 04:38:41 PM »
Chris do not run away, can you not see what Kurt was saying?

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« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2012, 05:18:20 PM »
Chris do not run away, can you not see what Kurt was saying?

Allan
Chris,
I say likewise, Kurt is a very reasonable person and if you read
very carefully there is nothing 'between the lines' just exactly and
all friendly just like he says.
besides I'm curious what you have to say....really !
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« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2012, 09:12:24 PM »
you stick to the 50 posts rule this should all die out everyone here is very friendly normally and if you let it go so will we and then you will hit 50 posts in no time and everything will be fine you will see. 

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Re: Self Made Solar Hot Water Heater Using Thermosiphon
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2012, 10:13:00 PM »
Kurt, I sent you a PM.
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« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2012, 02:13:23 AM »
 ::)

That's all I got.

That and curiosity.

I found the realty web site, wasn't hard to figure out, but couldn't seem to navigate my way to the content that was linked to (supposedly) from here.

Ain't the first time.

Won't be the last, I'm sure.

The black holes don't come from sites disappearing, they come from the LINKS disappearing.

From what I can gather from context where everyone that DID manage to get their eyes on the content in question, is that it was worthwhile material to view.

I might never know, because another newbie got shot in the foot for sharing.

Yet urination competitions such as the "likely legendary" IRC thread seem to thrive, with only banning stopping the madness (after like a week)!

I get the need for spam aversion, but is it too much to ask to just WARN someone not to post links, instead of just killing them off?

If someone (or something) posts links that blatantly lead to viagra ads, nuke it. Fine. That's great and what not.

When this is not the case, and at least the content is RE related, it would be nice (to us "vets" that WANT to see it) if it were left alone!

Who cares if someone sells houses, it's irrelevant. This site is about RE and the related concepts. Which APPARENTLY (again, wouldn't know) is what was being linked to, and not with the idea of SELLING anything RE.

I don't see how this particular situation could have been misconstrued as spam by anybody.

Eh, I digress, leaving my $0.02 on the table, for what its worth.

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The size of the project matters not.
How much magic smoke it contains does !

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« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2012, 03:27:31 AM »
I get the need for spam aversion, but is it too much to ask to just WARN someone not to post links, instead of just killing them off?

Steve, I wasn't the one who nuked the links, but I did see (after the event) some discussion about it.
One of the problems is that of "precedent".

When you try to have a rule to protect people from the thinly disguised sell-links from someone who's in all other regards, a spammer, you want to have ammunition to stop them. The "no posting links for (x) time" rule was one way those who administer the site let someone establish their bonefides. Establish some credibility.

If someone comes in and posts stuff thats kinda relevant (but is a clearly commercial site selling other stuff), it's all the "shades of grey" stuff. How do you let one in, but then turn another away.

I don't wish to pass judgement on anyone, but the guidelines (or rules) are there for a reason, and the poor buggers who get to enforce them have an absolutely thankless task. Doesn't matter WHAT they do, someone is going to want to shoot them for it.


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« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2012, 10:26:59 AM »
Steve;
Since I was the one that made the decision NOT to Nuke the links. AND since I spent a goodly amount of time on it making sure it didn't make popup windoze I have at least one of the links if you still want to see it.
So as NOT to start yet another flame war :(. I'll use the PM or email the link if you do want to see them.
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« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2012, 01:52:46 PM »
Yes, that would be appreciated.

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« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2012, 02:00:39 AM »
I would like to see them as well please.  Thanks.

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« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2012, 03:34:34 PM »
This board is very helpful in terms of information on off grid stuff, technology, etc.
 I posted here & got in a fight with some of the mods over the premise that I was trying to use the board for marketing purposes, which was NOT true.
 My company does well, and all I was tryign to do was share information on what I had done, with the hopes it woudl help others, as theyhave helped me.

My name is Chris Walsh, I am a Real Estate Broker in North Idaho. I can't place a link here, but if you PM me or do a google search you will find the link to the information I posted that was removed by the moderators becuase I don't have 50 posts.
Chris

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« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2012, 09:00:46 AM »
I opened this post because I was interested in the subject.  I would have loved to have seen the external link. 

All I see is a bunch of people arguing about someone actually posting a link.  Are you guys here to learn and share information……or are you here to feel important?  Seriously……

Revolutionary, I'd love to see you project if you could PM the info.... or link (gasp)  :)

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« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2012, 07:57:03 PM »
I opened this post because I was interested in the subject.  I would have loved to have seen the external link. 

So how interested are you really???
All the clues you need are given to you already if you just read.



All I see is a bunch of people arguing about someone actually posting a link.  Are you guys here to learn and share information……or are you here to feel important?  Seriously……

Are you here to learn or complain about moderators trying to keep this site safe?
I remember seeing this post but they'd already nuked the link and I never pursued it...then saw your "mini-rant"  ::)

Want to learn... seriously?  Ok... I'll give you some hints:
Google... slant fin radiator... solar... water heater... reality... Chris.

Tell us what google comes up with... I managed easy enough.
And... I'll apologize for my "edge"... it's been a rough week.

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« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2012, 03:25:00 PM »
ZAP
Well put!
ditto
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« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2012, 12:00:45 PM »
Thanks Zap,

He sent the link in a PM.