Light Weight Wind Turbine Project - as I build it.

[wildbill]

OK, SF,you have run this scam enough, either put up or shut up, if Tony, can't produce then move on!!!!! this is no longer a learning topic, it's a soap !

[Steadfast]

He was likely driving it at 800 rpms or so with a half inch drill motor.

What kind of MPH winds would I need, to get 5ft span Falcon Blades to crank out 800 RPMS?
How close would the tornado have to be, to my turbine, to generate 800 RPMs?

[Bruce S]

@SF;
Math V*A=watts so 13.5Vdc * 10amps=135watts 

@Willbill
It certainly is NOT a scam by SF or a soap.
WE know, the builder will probably continue to put it off, until he things SF is tired and gives up trying to get this unit.
SF has the tenacity to put up with our joking with him! Let's let him decide when he's had waited long enough.
YOU are certainly free to not read the posts.
BUT I will ask YOU not to call SF a scammer!!
Bruce S
 

[Steadfast]

Thanks Bruce...

OK, SF,you have run this scam enough, either put up or shut up, if Tony, can't produce then move on!!!!! this is no longer a learning topic, it's a soap !

run this scam?      really??
You clearly have not be on this journey with the rest of us bill.
I am trying to remain objective here... at least until we see the hard numbers...

If anyone has been scammed in the end, it will have been me.

[Bruce S]

@SF
I went into GM mode for his post.
At this point IF the REDELCO actually ran a consistent 135watts in say a 8mph wind I'd almost call that a draw.
Certainly NOT a win for him, since it's 3-months into a build that would normally only take a week at best.
I've found yet another one on ebay,  BUT this time they show it's output at 35MPH!!! and they want $270.00.

Bruce S

[Steadfast]

Tony called back:  
It WAS 10 AMPS... at 150RPM to cut in...
under a 12 volt battery load... with a little craftsman drill...


Math V*A=watts
Sooooo, at 12.3 * 10amps = 123watts

He and his brother are setting up the camera now and we will have video tonight.
He is also sending it "next day" and that means I will have it Wednesday.

[wildbill]

I, apologize to SF, bad day, but i have been waiting soooo long to see, like three months? And i'm getting old, so patent isn't my strong suit. I do hope you all the best! again sorry bill.

[Steadfast]

I, apologize to SF, bad day, but i have been waiting soooo long to see, like three months? And i'm getting old, so patent isn't my strong suit. I do hope you all the best! again sorry bill.

forgiven and forgotten... 
worry not...were all good... 

Beleive me when I say, "I too have had my patience stretched pretty thin on this one."and, I made it this far without wigging out too bad... 

But it is, what it is...
and it will produce, what it produces...
and, trust me, I will report all of IT.

[Bruce S]

wildbill;
NO worries, bad day understood.
Getting OLD is understood too 

SF,
okay 12.3Vdc at 10Amps yup=123 watts,
BUT!! You knew this was coming  .  12.3Vdc will NOT keep a good battery charged. 
BUT, let's wait to see what IS what when it arrives.
IT better be RED!!
Otherwise we'll need to make up a different name,

FAB!! NOT yet!! 

[Steadfast]

SF,
okay 12.3Vdc at 10Amps yup=123 watts,
BUT!! You knew this was coming  .  12.3Vdc will NOT keep a good battery charged. 
BUT, let's wait to see what IS what when it arrives.
IT better be RED!!
Otherwise we'll need to make up a different name,

Remember,
thats "12.3v * 10amps = 123watts" 
AT CUT IN = 150 RPM....

What do you think it will do under 300 rpms or 500 rpms?
What kind of rpms come at 20 MPH?  or 30 MPH?

I asked all that, to ask this:
Do you guys think this might be "an Inovation" in the redelco world, or not?

it would be more fun for me if it was...
.
.

[RP]

Actually, by definition it's 12.3v at 0.0 amps at cut in.

The 10 amps is at some higher unspecified rpm.

[Steadfast]

Actually, by definition it's 12.3v at 0.0 amps at cut in.

The 10 amps is at some higher unspecified rpm.

He said at 150 rpm, it hit 10 amps, at the moment of 12.3v cut in...
Hey, that's is what he said....

Me, I wanna see the video...

[tanner0441]

Hi

Cuttin and 10 A charging are two seperate things.  Cuttin is when the alternator voltage equals the battery voltage, nothing is going into or comming from the battery.  10 A is a charging current where the load (battery) is dragging the voltage down so the current rises.

You want to see a realistic curve with the RPM, the voltage, and current are being plotted.

Brian.

[fabricator]

Actually, by definition it's 12.3v at 0.0 amps at cut in.

The 10 amps is at some higher unspecified rpm.

He said at 150 rpm, it hit 10 amps, at the moment of 12.3v cut in...
Hey, that's is what he said....

Me, I wanna see the video...

So, that would be 123 watts at 150 rpms, or in other words, pathetic, so break through? NADA. If I built one like that it would go in the hopper not on feebay. And it all depends what blades you match it to, it  might stall out at 175 rpms with those phoney baloney aluminum blades you got, or it might stall out before that.
Just as predicted the thing is gonna be a DUD.
I wonder if he is refunding money to people he has already sold these things to? He has all but admitted they were not worth spit in their previous condition.

[birdhouse]

steadfast,
as others have explained what cut in really is, i thought i'd write something to help you understand it a bit more. 

if i'm brewing a pot of coffee on my RE system in the summer, the battery (24v) voltage may be around 24.4 or so.  my mill will hit that voltage at say ~235rpm.  so anything above that rpm turns into charging amps. 

now if it's winter and 3 degrees, and in the afternoon after a full day of solar (or wind) charging, my bank may be as high as 29.5v.  the same turbine would have to be turning well above the previous stated 235rpm...  probably closer to ~280 rpm before i'll hit cut in, and a little higher than that before the amps will flow from the turbine to the battery bank... 

get what i'm saying?  cut in, and ten amps flowing are two different things, and can happen at totally different rpms from the mill depending on temperature and bank voltage. 

adam

[spottrouble]

I've found yet another one on ebay,  BUT this time they show it's output at 35MPH!!! and they want $270.00.
Bruce S

There is one seller on ebay advertising a 2000watt mill, of course he claims that rating is at 75mph

I wonder if SF is getting the Redelco he ordered or Tonys new "Inventor" series LOL. See feebay item# 251091754236

Kristi

[birdhouse]

just sent tony an offer for $30USD.  if he sends me a unit at this price, i'll pull accurate numbers from it into both a 12v and 24v battery load. 

seems hooking it to both a 12 and 24v battery bank while monitoring rpm, amps, and the rise of the volts for a given bank size could really tell the truth.   

i'm guessing with steadfast's blade set, and a poor wind location, that it may make the redelco look even worse than it really is.  at least a good solid bench test could potentially make it worthy for a higher wind location? 

$200 with shipping included is really not that high for the beginner that really doesn't want to wind coils and has no interest in epoxy ect...

adam

[fabricator]

..............Tapping toe...................Waiting for youtube vid.................................

[Steadfast]

..............Tapping toe...................Waiting for youtube vid.................................

Tony just called... said he hooked the doc wattson up to the PMA and to too many lights
and conveniently let the smoke out of the doc... but he did say that with in the hour I will have a video to watch...

Either Murphy loves beating this guy up, or he has the worst of luck, or he has a fear of success, or........

[Valalvax]

..............Tapping toe...................Waiting for youtube vid.................................

Tony just called... said he hooked the doc wattson up to the PMA and to too many lights
and conveniently let the smoke out of the doc... but he did say that with in the hour I will have a video to watch...

Either Murphy loves beating this guy up, or he has the worst of luck, or he has a fear of success, or........

... or he has a lot of excuses?


 

[birdhouse]

fear of success

or fear of failure!

[Steadfast]

Guys.... I am going to bed...  I am tired of waiting....
Good night...

[fabricator]

Or he's just full of $hit.

[birdhouse]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqHFn_u23Ks&feature=plcp

[Watt]

I guess we can talk to Anthony ( Tony ) Jones on his forum about this turbine.  http://hurricanewindpower.proboards.com/

[spottrouble]

Well its after midnite and still no video, I bet the cascading magnetic vortex sucked his video camera into a wormhole

Kristi

[breezyears]

I once opened a worm hole while i was dividing by zero's in my head... dont get me started about dividing by zero's. When the fabric of space time started to tear... nevermind, im going to bed too.

[sean_ork]

$200 with shipping included is really not that high for the beginner that really doesn't want to wind coils and has no interest in epoxy ect...

$200 is a lot of money for a door stop

if folks want to play then a rescued motor out of an old treadmill will quite easily produce a couple of hundred watts

cost = zero

[fabricator]

I guess we can talk to Anthony ( Tony ) Jones on his forum about this turbine.  http://hurricanewindpower.proboards.com/

I left him a little note.

[hurricanewind]

You know it is amazing how many cowards will say things on the internet they would not have the audacity to say to a mans face. Fabricator if you want to insult my integrity I am not hard to find.....my invitation is extended Come see how it works for you in person.
 One are any of you certified to take data on wind tubine....my guess is no therefore what is the point. Opinions are like @ssholes just like many memebers of this forumn. If any of you become  engineer who can certify turbine please by all means fax over your credentials and I will be glad to engage in testing. I would point out to you that I offered to send Hugh a test unit that I built after he arbitrarily included me in a review of a Presto Wind product and he declined.

Further you guys are going off of old charts on my site made by Tim at Presto Wind that have to be updated  after data collection is complete. the PMA I had built for Jerome simply output a couple of amps in light wind and is easy to turn.....with increasing torgue the pma comes on up to 10 amps pretty easy.....I did this held in my hand but believe with the blade set he has the torque would not  be enough to output much more than that.....I appreciate Mr. Birdhouse advised me I was in a contest....I wasn't aware I was entered into a contest......So tell me is this just a group of self important jackasses that are this bored? I have a lot of work to do and would suggest it to some of the group here......much idle time I see in you. Isn't the agenda here to sell Hughs books and magnets from your sponsor here anyway?

[Steadfast]

You guys Must stop back seat driving!
You guys are NOT helping...   
You are endangering the delivery of my product...
You need to leave Tony alone so he can finish and deliver the PMA.

He wrote me and expressed a desire to return my money...
I dont want my money back...
I want a working LBird!

If you keep pokeing Tony like you have been, I will have no PMA at all.
and, I am going to be stuck with a useless LBird. 
which I spent multiple hundred dollars building and took multiple vacation days off to build just to fit Tony's PMA.

I was rude to say he blew up his Doc on purpose, and I appaulogized to him for suggesting such.

He wrote me this in an email:
( I left out the more angry parts)
You guy need to leave Tony alone so he can finish and deliver the PMA.

Steadfast, I read where you posted I "convieniently smoked the meter.....it was a foolish mistake but I am starting to sense that this is not so much a test as it is a chance to be beaten up on....I will be glad to send you a refund or I will have the Doc Watson overnighted to make the video but with the type of hostility I am reading on this board, I am not about to send out a product without the performance documented on video.
 
By the way not necessarily you, but to the critics on the otherpower, did it ever occur to you I have other things to do than shoot youtube videos, like clear the generator backlog? You guys have a conspiracy theory about burning up a doc Watson? To be honest ...I have never said that the world revolves around a Delco alternator, which is why I have an axial flux commercially available within the end of the month......  I have parted ways with presto wind which is the self proclaimed engineer whom developed that line. I am here to take care of my business and fix what needs to be done...

He is right... and he also has a business to run and protect...
You guys need to back off, and let him do the work!

[Mary B]

Everyone on here who is running wind is qualified to interpret your data. Many have been doing it for years and have seen many tests of the modified delco units. They do not have the magnet space or stator space to be effective. You can't break physical laws and I have seen way to many reviews on car alternator conversions that may do 100 watts or so but none will put out any consistent power.

[Steadfast]

your not helping...