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Samsung direct drive motor
« on: July 02, 2020, 03:42:45 PM »
I managed to get ahold of a Samsung stator and magnet rotor for cheap cheap last week. The motor is dc31-0012A.
And it appears to may have 24 magnets but when I glide a magnet Inside on top of them, it may actually have 36-48 magnets. I notice that they are also marked with a marker. They are square flat magnets. Anyone can tell me the specs of the magnet rotor?

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Re: Samsung direct drive motor
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2020, 07:39:27 PM »
Does it look like the one pictured here?

https://www.fieldlines.com/index.php/topic,148979

For your motor, a lot of references to a "F&P" mean a "Fisher & Paykel" which is a washing machine that pioneered the direct-drive motor and now Samsung, LG, and some others now build, too.  They are all similar in general configuration though there are varieties of each motor for each manufacturer.  In many places, the generic suggestions will help you, whether for F&P, LG, or Samsung.

Here's a member who experimented a lot with them:
https://www.fieldlines.com/index.php/topic,149381

You can click on the member's name and see other things they posted.  There's a lot of ideas there.
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Re: Samsung direct drive motor
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2020, 03:46:31 AM »
It looks alot like that model . But the model number is dc31-0012A. And the magnets are not curved. They are flat and have two lines on each of the edges. It appears that the markings dissect the magnets into thirds.

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Re: Samsung direct drive motor
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2020, 04:11:55 AM »
Is this what you have?

And do you want to increase the voltage or the amperage?



The model number is dc31-00112A

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Re: Samsung direct drive motor
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2020, 10:47:09 AM »
Umm , I would like to increase both really !
Yea I have that magnet rotor and the stator with really beautifully wound copper strands on it .

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Re: Samsung direct drive motor
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2020, 12:11:40 PM »
In my post of December 17, 2019, on page 16 on the Circuitsonline forum I show a similar Samsung direct drive.
I have made an axle in it for my friend Rew.

This was a shaft for using as a motor.
For the use as a turbine generator I would shape a different kind of shaft.

https://www.circuitsonline.net/forum/view/141087/16


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Re: Samsung direct drive motor
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2020, 02:45:42 PM »
You want to increase both, the voltage and the amperage.

That is like saying that you want to work less hours and make more money. It is possible, but not realistic.
I think you should start by telling us what you are trying to accomplish.

Also, tell us what the prime mover is going to be. Are you planning to turn this motor with wind, water or human power?

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Re: Samsung direct drive motor
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2020, 05:11:40 AM »
I want this to be turned with wind. And I want to know for power and voltage because I really forsee me having more than one in the future. From what I understand , 48v , is the way to go these days. Also if it can do 150v ,. Couldn't I split the power, send 110 to house and 40 to a battery bank?

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Re: Samsung direct drive motor
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2020, 01:20:16 PM »
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send 110 to house and 40 to a battery bank
It doesn't work that way.  Some reading about grid mains electrical supply and you will realize why.  Look at what needs to be grounded, and how voltages are measured from ground.  Also, check into the integrity and protection needed on a power supply to your house - it's a high bar to jump over and it's there to protect people.

The rest is fine - going for a 48V battery system is a good choice when you work safely.  The recharge voltage is about 60V on the battery bank, and if you also include PV panels they will have an open-circuit voltage of about 70-80V before being hooked up.
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Re: Samsung direct drive motor
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2020, 08:27:34 PM »
You want us to dump our knowledge into you.  :)

That will not be easy because most of us have read thousands of books and spent many years in colleges and universities to get what we know today.

Nevertheless, I will try to give you some knowledge that though it is basic, it is very important and it is what you need at this time. So read this carefully and let it sink in.

Start with OHM'S Law.



By following Ohm's law, you will see that WATTS (Power) equals voltage multiplied by amperage.

For example:

120 volts at 4 amps = 480 watts
48 volts at 10 amps = 480 watts
12 volts at 40 amps = 480 watts

With lower voltage, you need higher amperage to get the same power (WATTS)

The higher the amperage flowing through a wire, the thicker the wire has to be. If you use a thin wire to conduct a high current (AMPS) though it, the wire will get very hot and could burn up. There are tables that show the current ratings of different wire gauges.

How does an alternator produces power?

First, let me explain the difference between an alternator and a generator. A very simple way to define it is this:
An alternator is composed of a number of magnets and a number of coils. As the magnets pass over the coils, it generates voltage (AC voltage)

A generator is exactly the same thing as an alternator. The difference is that to convert it to a generator, we add a rectifier to the output of the alternator. The rectifier converts the AC voltage to DC voltage.

The voltage that an alternator produces depends of these five things:

1 - The number of magnets (poles)
2 - The magnetic strength of the magnets
3 - The number of coils
4 - The number of turns of wire in the coils
5 - The speed of the magnets passing over the coils

Let's say that an alternator with 50 turns of wire in the coils produces 20 volts when is turning at 100 RPM.
If you want to double the voltage, to get 40 volts, you can do it by either doubling the speed to 200 RPM or by doubling the number of turns in the coils to 100 turns.

If you double both, the speed (RPM) and the number of turns in the coils, you will get the alternator to output 80 volts.

I think that it is great when people get interested in alternative ways to generate power and start experimenting.
But it is important to learn basic electricity first. When you do that, the outcome of your experiments will be more predictable and satisfying. When you see good results, you get excited and you are likely to continue to experiment until you are successful. Without knowing the basics, the outcome of your experiments will be disappointing. That could cause you to get discouraged and give up. I hate to see that happen.

I hope this is helpful.

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Re: Samsung direct drive motor
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2020, 10:46:05 PM »
Thank you for I imagine the most straightforward explanation of electrical theory! And yes, I agree, this is quite rewarding. And I am having some successes. Success to me is the fact that I can produce two or three volts from a hand spin over 6 coils. That tells me that I am in the right direction . I have a little mountain of neodymiums, all the enameled magnet wires from two hoverboard motors and two spools of 0.33mm a d two spools 0.66 mm . About a pound of of each gauge. Before I even pour my first drop of resin ,I want to be 100 percent certain that I am doing it properly.

And I am not formally educated, although,I've always loved getting my hands dirty with tools and reading anything space tech or bleeding edge.

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Re: Samsung direct drive motor
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2020, 09:48:13 PM »
In my post of December 17, 2019, on page 16 on the Circuitsonline forum I show a similar Samsung direct drive.
I have made an axle in it for my friend Rew.

This was a shaft for using as a motor.
For the use as a turbine generator I would shape a different kind of shaft.

https://www.circuitsonline.net/forum/view/141087/16

how do you center the rotor on the stator? did the magnets glide on the stator metal or glide right above it?

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Re: Samsung direct drive motor
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2020, 10:31:22 PM »
Somebody should make a sticky of magnetjuice's post.  That stuff needs explained pretty often around here, and that was a very straightforeward, eloquent explanation. 

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Re: Samsung direct drive motor
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2020, 03:46:26 AM »
I agree.
Simplest if MJ made a new post in the FAQs section.  copy-paste the post from 7 July, and some of the preceding stuff is good too, especially MJ's comments about no free lunches.

MJ, if you want a hand with that, just send me a PM.  I could do it for you, but the post would seem to be in my name.  It's your words, so you deserve the first crack at it.
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Re: Samsung direct drive motor
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2020, 10:39:29 AM »
Thank you BRM and Sparweb. I can do a write up on the same subject and place it in the FAQ section.

I need a few days for that, right now I am working on some projects to make my wife happy.  ;)

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Re: Samsung direct drive motor
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2020, 12:06:43 AM »
how many magnetic poles does the rotor have? i cant really tell by glidimg a magnet over them. i would like to upgrade the magnets to neodymuim amd maybe wind two more strands of 0.5 mm over the current windings. or even remove the original one due to it being aluminum i think .

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Re: Samsung direct drive motor
« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2020, 12:43:30 PM »
The basic knowledge about electrical energy is given in chapter 2 of my public report KD 378: "Basic knowledge about electrical, chemical, mechanical, potential and kinetic energy to understand literature about the generation of energy by small wind turbines". This report can be copied for free from my website: www.kdwindturbines.nl at the menu KD-reports. This report was especially written for people in developing countries but it has its value for anyone who wants to be active with wind turbines but lacks a technical education.