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March 2024.

Case design now confirmed.

Insulators and plate seperators now confirmed.

Battery terminals and plate connections now confirmed.
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Please find this simple reply regards what’s going on in a 2v cell at the active lead DIOXIDE level for the IFLA and PLante cells.

This will form, after re-editing etc, part of my ‘How to Make a modern Plante 2v 450ah lead acid battery’ book.
I always try to write and explain and show with picks what’s practically going on. I have concerns that some groups are guessing and starting to spout rubbish about the humble 2v lead acid cell, so hopefully my below comments will straighten a few folks out.

........... Each 2v volt cell has a charge and discharge rate and this depends on several factors.

1. The structure of the matrix grid plates and the ratio between the supporting lead that is a basic PLANTE forming, and the composition of the LEAD DIOXIDE that is already made and pasted into the lead matrix that gives a higher Amp Hour holding capacity from the word go.

2. It is very important to recharge and reform the lead oxide at a suitable rate.   Eg, like electroplating, to quick and the plating does not form and adhere well.   The same with lead dioxide, make it efficient and give good ah output, then its short lived. Make the dioxide paste longer lasting but less preforming ah output, and more stable, then welcome to the IFLA as the lead plate matrix is very, very thick and holds the Oxide paste firmly.
BUT excessive constant charge on a individual 2v cell and the lead oxide that is pasted into the grid matrix will be disrupted, especially where it rests in the lead matrix grid, and then the precious lead oxide paste will shed and drop out.

3. With the IFLA batteries the lead matrix grid plates hold the lead dioxide tight, but the lead dioxide is fragile. The lead holding grid it self will also form the correct dioxide over many (over 40) charge recharges, and slowly integrate with the dioxide pastes. BUT CONSTANTLY GETTING THE CHARGE RATE WRONG AND THE PŔECIOUS LEAD DIOXIDE PASTE WILL START SHEDDING as the bond will be broken.

IN CONCLUSION. Some of you are aware of my R&D experiments and builds on a new modern form of the old pure lead PLANTE lead acid 2v 450ah battery. Forming the pure lead sheet surface into a active lead dioxide mush, but making this surface dioxide mush stable and yet giving good AH output rates, is mind boggling, as the variables that require experimentation and calculation are vast.
Oh yea, and these 13 plate 2v PLANTE cells of mine are all designed around a DIY context and constructed with simple tools.

So bear with me guys as i examine and publish a useful definitive practical guide to the humble 2v lead acid cell.

Ok one step closer will inform as we get to the next one.

please accept my humble apologies.

I understand and agree with your assessment.

respect

well it is certainly not nonsense but yes I will admit it is of my opinion.

Just look at the differences between the EU and the US in regards of citizen privacy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation

your bringing up politics, we don't don't do that here, its one over policy's here. And you are in violation of that here/now.

I cant recommend another website that will accommodate what you are doing here.

This site is purely tech site.

You may have to find another website to post in.

JW

the US is not known for it's privacy advocating legislation.

This is nonsense!!  AND only your opinion

Bruce S

the US is not known for it's privacy advocating legislation. So maybe I should warn the coils to not go there

Anyway. I am zeroing in on results. I could really use some pointers here

can I past images again? not even going to try unless told we can.

susdesign.com has some great tools for North America on the same topic. I used their tools for slope planning on my rooftop solar.  I also used their overhang calculator to visualize how my overhangs would work on my south facing windows.  They worked out almost perfect.

My slope is 65 degrees in winter and 20 degrees in summer.  The winter should be steeper for good snow shedding.  Otherwise it works out well. 

The new panels on the shop are vertical (90 degrees) and do great in the middle of winter.  They wont make much power in june, but we usually have lots that time of year.

If you have a smart phone a great app is Sunontrack, it is a paid app, but has reality augmentation so gives virtual overlay of the sun at various seasons real time.

Used it a fiew times and is pretty accurate, and based on reviews around the globe

I use the NREL website for this.  It can output the monthly totals and is fairly customizable from just about every input you can think of.

https://pvwatts.nrel.gov/index.php

Google has tools to change form one to the other...

25.4mm to the inch
2.54 cm per inch

from there it is easy to get feet...

Yes.

I am open to all suggestios...as I was cut short here where I operate.

Quote from: topspeed on March 06, 2024, 05:02:22 AM

Ok dudes and babes !

I have nothing to show (but pictures in next post), but I can update.

In order to get some kinda positive results I have gotten really serious with this turbine developemnt of mine....like dead serious.

New tower is being done....with lot more heavy lumber 3''x 3'' and different kind...previous was a HAWT tower.

Moment arm is a bit shorter...but almost half as thick...and totally aerodynamic.

Wings are longer but more narrow. Foil is conventional.

This is all possible because of the new wood press and revitalization of the old heavy press. I have now wood composite available that is strong as  steel ( percentage wise in weight ).

Load is higher....and wires thicker.

I need to get like 300-400 % better results to get where I wanted.

What do you think will I succeed...or fail again ?

I think you and I should collaborate!

I am not reading much outside my bubble as I have learned that leads me to posting on someone else's threads like I do now. And I have also learned that can blow up in my face so I am rather hesitant regarding that.

But I think you and I are in the same boat.
At least the same continent

Would it be a stretch to use metric as a baseline?

I mean I am not trying to diss at the brothers and sisters on the correct side of the pond but I am hoping/guessing that they have a better understanding/feeling of metric than we do of imperial.

Is my assumption correct? And how would we know?

Metric is just fine by me.

We are hosted in the  US  last I checked the server is in Atlanta GA I cant talk about HLS.
Flavio has done a great job.... For no one has been able to login to our server for months maybe a year.
And swear to god if I hear someone mention a "6 digit security pin" Im gonna hit them in the head thru my land line.
Yesterday I got really really close I will keep trying.
 

 interesting quote-

The Betz limit is the theoretical maximum efficiency for a wind turbine, conjectured by German physicist Albert Betz in 1919. Betz concluded that this value is 59.3%, meaning that at most only 59.3% of the kinetic energy from wind can be used to spin the turbine and generate electricity.

Next comes TSR  (tip  speed rotation)

For a VWAT you need to search for that info relates to that.

At the bottom of the page on the main page there is a google search thingyee. search that for VWAT turbine. There is tonns of info here in our database.

Quote from: JW on March 13, 2024, 07:55:46 PM

 Im just going to say it once.   "Jonny Cool pants"

hahahh that one I am going to carve into the turbine if You will allow for it So the Phoenix her name is now officially "Jonny Cool pants" (again if you will allow for it that is JW)

Now I am not sure about my posting interval.
I mean the time difference between
Reply #160 on: March 13, 2024, 01:42:39 PM

and in reaction to MattM I posted again on
March 13, 2024, 10:07:58 PM

How is that time difference too short? And I also am making use of the {x}{/x} edits to lessen the noise.

You know what to come meet you half way I would be ok is this thread would be merged with the non logged in VAWT experiments. After all it is the same project.

Just allow me to post publicly the results when all is said and done and then everything is fine in my books.

A daily update to you diary would cover it... I often post to a notepad document for the day then update a forum at the end of the day if I am in the middle of a project. Less clutter and disjointed hard to follow posts... allows editing into a seamless story line before copy and pasting to the forum...

things are looking good for stacked serpentine coils thus far. I just do hope I did not blunder again.

https://diysolarforum.com/threads/building-the-sickest-%C2%AE-vawt-ever-brilliant-minds-unite-please.31934/post-1035939

TLDR: sharing coil legs between coils does not half the field. So basically we get 200% of field available to all magnets when using serpentine.

@Topspeed,

If you come install it on Bali then I will be your first customer

But Indonesia is not know for consistent enforcement of the regulations so there might be hiccups at customs. Usually these hiccups are resolved by employing an ancient method. One that involved motivating the officer involved to play ball somehow.

Ok I am a ball player.

I posted that many times in a row, so he could see what its like. compare the number of the front page between my posts and his, a total. yes I could have edited my posts but he's not doing that.

I don't care 3 months back everything was fine. Before he started posting. look I've got 10 grand invested in this place over 20 years. As mentioned previously I did this to preserve the data base.

I'm sorry when you have a user name that says I'm an idiot, its not right.

JW

 look I've done bunch of work with EV's and was awarded a Patent   US 8261575 B1

Its for a traction motor for a Low Volt EV. the battery's that exist cant be used, Lead acid, Lithium.

We need to develop a battery that's in the middle.

JW

Brandnewb,

 YOUR POSTING TO MUCH

your crowding the forum.

You are being rude to the long time users.

If you keep it up I will delete your account. the admins wont be able to recover your account.


JW

I tried to post  a pic but got sidetracked.

I hadn't seen the length of the coil leg being so critical, just area.  That would impair the strategy in that case unless using wedge coils to maximixe area.

I would like to make it known that in the meantime I also have bought and gotten a packerpack of Homebrew Wind Power by Dan Bartman & Dan Fink.

It was suggested to me elsewhere and I saw some interesting entries in the table of contents.

It is a great book that for sure. But unless I am once again unable to find what will help me get to 52vAC at 3.7 Hz then again I think I should trust my self some more

Anyway. the proof of concept PMA rotors are ready for trail runs. all 192 magnets!!

I am now going for a serpentine version of the stacked coils as it is basically the same thing but then with a little less resistance in the coil wires overall.

I might revisit my posts once pasting images is possible and easy to do so that I can add images at the places where they make sense in my posts.

With your stick magnets could you run a stack of mini-coils in serial to boost voltage?  Perhaps instead of 30 wraps you stack three 10s in a line.

I just figured why this probably will not work. That is if I understood your intend correctly.

The length of the coil legs in the field is a factor in voltage creation. If we break this up into smaller parts then we will be adding relatively less of leg length into the field and adding more resistance to phase in total because of the extra wire needed to close the loops.

after reviewing that video again in the defence of this dude though I hear him saying "then snip it in half" while making the "lits wire" while we never see that happen.

Now if both ends of the wire are indeed a bunch of parallel enameld wires then ok then it is a litz wire. But I think he never snipped it in half as I can see no signs of that when looking at his wire.

I guess he got tired and forgot that important part and ended up with a super flat and super long coil that will do next to nothing in practise.

But anyway this guy I like to avoid as all he does is regurgitate fun experiments of others while neglecting to do some actual testing with those ideas.
If I do not avoid stuff like that I will never get anything done I am afraid.