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ok then unless Ed and Joe will reconsider their stance on letting me hang or actually helping me  I will just for now wait until better minds come with better suggestions I can not know when I will erupt again but please trust that my lava is always reasonabl

Now dear TechAdmin. I think you trust that I hold you high to that is why I made my choices.

a while back I suggested starting a daily post in word pad or other editor.

That way as you go thru the day you can add to and edit it and post on coherent response...

As is what we see is disjointed rambling that does NOT tell a story

ok then unless Ed and Joe will reconsider their stance on letting me hang or actually helping me  I will just for now wait until better minds come with better suggestions I can not know when I will erupt again but please trust that my lava is always reasonabl

Now dear TechAdmin. I think you trust that I hold you high to that is why I made my choices.

I am not sure how to respond.

I though that activity was a good thing

And if there was too much of activity then it would be a simple tweak to the software,

I will give some pseudo code

If  source of message == source of message  && ( timedetalawithlastmessage)

I mean if I am able to drown out the stuff here while I have so many important things to add then let us us really figure out how to solve it.

I have always known that this simple machine software 3was a bit too simple. I am ready to help

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OK dear Ed,

I am now going to make profound statement that does include you. My dear brother.

You see that is was your mention that the earlier magnets had a (but) 1.2KW potential.

And then I asked publicly to lean more of course.

Well that never happened that then the following happened.

I just took that statement as a given and then become really worried as my project should certainly do an insane amount more that that does not it?

hahah we all know what happened next.

Yes I bought an extra 96 of these magnets. And these suggestions came @warpspeed. he is one of those contributors that comes in and then helps and then forgoes to contribute
(I mean certainly now you know that there are many many reasons that more than 3 phase is something to consider yes??
Ok now we have that part done and dealt with unless one is willing to challenge the 7 phase P&F setup.

#2
so you see how much the words of perceived higher powers can influence the actions of new comers like my self?

I am just happy that I always bounce back.

this is warning to all with power.

use it well and then you may lead us.

until such time we see that it is no longer used well.

#3

Make coils, build machine, test, make a new stator if needed, test, revamp the structural parts as needed, test... some things CAN NOT be 10% decided on pen and paper... guys with access to supercomputers even make mistakes running their models!

lMay/ I have tired to give the best response I cane to give.  For more than 20 minutes.I give up It is an actual really involved process  so I am actually not wanting to this this any longer

#4

Your project has an audience.  We await pictures.

sorry my dear bother. I realize now that I am failing to hold 2 channels in equal status.
Especial since one is in dire need of some basic upgrades.

Anyway brother.

Please help me out here. What images should I still deliver?

I am at your service!!

#5

Make coils, build machine, test, make a new stator if needed, test, revamp the structural parts as needed, test... some things CAN NOT be 10% decided on pen and paper... guys with access to supercomputers even make mistakes running their models!

Thank you love. you are one of the few voices of reason that is sooo much needed

#6

Make coils, build machine, test, make a new stator if needed, test, revamp the structural parts as needed, test... some things CAN NOT be 10% decided on pen and paper... guys with access to supercomputers even make mistakes running their models!

I so want to get to meet you once.

when is the next get to gether.

BTW, I am somewhat of an in the middle person.

Some cops see my credentials and welcome me and some do the opposite

hahha weird yes?

Well it is true no the less.

#7

Check it out, we follow a standard of logic here, Basically we are a group of engineers. You are operating 3 ideas at once.

carry on.

dear brother.

I will admit that I sometimes are more loud then is normal.


I will also even admit that sometimes I even just spew out incoherence stuff. 
We all know it. we have had a good night out on the town with friends  and got a little closer to existential nihilism than one should have.

Ahh yes we all remember the next day yes? in where we vow to never drink again.


hahah that lasted but 1 hour while you drink your left overs to get rid of that headache.

Now of course this is just a comic representation of what a young student might experience.
But are we not all in many ways still young and students?

I am happy to see at least I am still being challenged about my statements.
Which his good and important!!

I am less so thrilled about amonsts other my dear brother ED. And Joe.

Look brothers. I will understand that you have more important things to do than to educate a lost sole like my self.

But when inserting information / ideas and then to not follow up on the to be expected followups that then becomes in my books a bit less about helping and a little more about unintened confusion that might follow.

Anyways I was refering to the authors of the books / projects. You all know who I am talking about I just donit have it on hand right now.

The point I made earlier is that I bought both books of. yes finally I remember while typing. Mr Piggot. And I bought all magnets as suggested based on a design by the other 'prophet'

@magnetjuice, I think for now the focus should not be on your involvement as I am still figuring out on how to quantify.

Anyway there I went buying books either paperback or e-form.

This was me signaling to the ones helping/ (or al least signaling to me that I am bonkers and here you can get your head checked) me that I am willing to take drastic measures and leave no stone unturned.

My findings (with my limited reading capabilities) that any of those sources do not explain well how to use the findings in those resources to be of benefit to what it is I am trying to do.
And then the discussion died out pretty quicly as it seems the ones promoting said material also did not know how to deal with that one.

Sure I have been advised here before that Mr Piggot is open to concrete questions but for the life of me I dare not even start asking him as I do not even know how to properly condense these years of efforts I have under my belt.

Now by the tone of your question to me it still makes me think that I am more of a nuance than of a potential benefit. I am so sorry I come accros like that to some.

But in the end of the day I will go and do what needs to be done my dear brother. I hope you can help me out. Actually without your help and of other great minds this project is going to take much more time and perhaps even end up doing the opposite as it is inteded to.

You see if I build my premises and conclusions an based on bad understanding because I have not been challenged by the people in the know while I was forming ideas and plans.

Then my results, that I believe are trustworthy. Might actually serve as a base line for new generations while the results were never sound to begin with.


The moral of this all is that I still think I should just keep experimenting. Like just throw stuff on the wall and see what sticks kind of method.
The big difference with some charlatans is that I will fully show what never even reached the wall as well as what does stick.
My reputation depends on honesty.

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hahha actually NO. I will not show anything that does not stick or not even reaches the wall. That is just too much of a burden.

the amount of tests I have run, some of them complete bonkers. is well..... bonkers

But I guess you have gotten the jist yes?
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EDIT: please never mistake me again for someone that just rambles for the rambling only.

Sure I invented rambling but I always have my ethics to back it up when challenged.

So here you go.

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohm%27s_law

The 3 forms of the math equations you see on that first page is what I'm referring to.

well then do not bring forth said prophets if no one is willing to follow/defend them.
I have many more of these ideas regarding topics.

I realize I am loud. But this message is important.

I am sure you all can translate these ramblings. if not I am open for dialogue

Thw waterwheel in this video looks like yours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCNcwsglZP8

I haven't posted in a while but checked in today. Lots of people have been taking clips of my videos and are using them in their videos without my knowledge. 

With regards to my waterwheel, it's still running and going on almost 6 years now. I haven't changed over to the chain drive yet and may not since I would have to go to extreme measures to keep the water off of it. I may just bite the bullet and order a timing belt and sprockets/sheaves to match.

The wood bearings are still working, but have worn quite a bit. A while back I ordered new roller bearings to put in my original pillow blocks as well as a new type of seal that should work better to prevent water ingress. I would still put a splash shield over the entire assembly to keep water off the bearings. The roller bearings would be more efficient than the wood ones as there would be less rolling resistance.

As  far as adding more blade area, I'll get to that at some point. Maybe when/if I retire in a couple years.

I'll be sure to update the forum if I make any changes.

Thank you Bruce,

understood gang.

I am still open to some more of this mental support like Bruce et al. have been displaying,

Look I am a small fish playing with big concepts. It is easy enough to just accept defeat.

Brandnewb, do not tease us lol

No really Brother. I need to know what you actually meant to convey!!

hahsah brother. You know I am not a tease. I often get right into business

anyway gang.

Please review this better representation of the magnet configuration.
I am moving forward yet there is still time to raise objections or improvements to the way I represent my setup/

The setup is what it is and I am past the point of no return now to change that unless I find something wild that changes my mind.



I will make sure to measure all of the positions I think are of interest in terms of magnetic field to start with.

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Is everyone still in the believe this is going to suck in terms of wattage capabilities?

I for one never did.

I just cant see yet why it would not blow things out of the water. But I am always open to be wrong.
{/1}

Brandnewb, do not tease us lol

We recently fixed the image upload function, this happed to all users not just you.

I am happy to report progress.

so after a considerable amount of extra experiments I found that there might be a good reason to use smaller diam wires after all.

You see that I now hold the believe that while using litz wired coils one can have more wires exposed to the field where it matters as opposed to a single larger diam wire.
And since we are talking about AC here rather than the DC tests I run for establishing a field strength there is soo much less heat build up as the electrons go back and forth thus constantly not going at full speed. (this is just what I think there is going on. totally not based on actual science!!)

Please allow me to explain.

Does one remember when I asked to hold ones buttocks most recently?

Well that was a single wired 35-70-35 coil in but 3mm.

When spun over close to the magnets it spewed out an insane amount of vAC. More insane than I have ever seen in similar conditions with only the coil as parameter. It was for sure the most impressive voltage generation I have ever seen in my line of testing yet. In that context of course. Sure I have seen higher values but that was because the coils were more potent.



Now please remember how sad I was when I was unable to demonstrate a beneficial voltage generation ability when a similar coil was backed up by iron powder.
Yeah that pretty much stopped me dead in my believe that I can think of new ways of demonstrating my hypotheses. I for one for now still do not know any other experiment I can try.

Well 2 things turned out in favor of good old iron powder in the long run. Hahah what did you expect gang? That I would lets things go that fast?

It turns out that having the coil legs of this said coil being backed by iron powder legs then the field it produces at 32 vDC is around 13 mT rather than the 10mT when not backed.
Ok Ok I'll be honest. I am not even sure I actually correlate those two findings. So just let us put that in the freezer for now.

And then of course the second thing which was actually not a new thing but the insane heat dissipation enhancement it all brings.

So I am going to take shortcuts now as I can't create charts that will satisfy everyone.

So I will make the next few posts on what charts I am going to make and then allow for suggestions on how to fine tune them before I actually start going deep and start endless measurements.

Also I have some other good news. Remember when I said that 3mm was minimum? (the narrower one can make a coil the more field it will produce where it matters (close to the magnets)) Hahahah turns out though that that was not even the minimum thickness.

Nah, this will be my baseline coil after some consideration. I have one thing holding me back though. Perhaps a 35-70-70-35 configuration would be better. Please share your thoughts.




The niche part about this test coil is is that it is but 10mm thick while boasting a litz wire of 5 x 0.4 mm.
One thing I do know already is that but 1 wire out of that lists wire will produce around 7 mT at 32 vDC. But my lab equipment is not up to the job when exposed to 5 times this simple coil. It just starts being unable to just blast on.
Anyway with my farmers logic I get to around 35 mT.

wait what? 35 mT holy smokes!! if that is true.

Yeah my thoughts exactly. I hate it when a plan does not come together as I clearly did not buy the correct lab equipment to be able to run scientific analysis at this scale.

More to follow on how I plan to document things before we actually go and do it.

{1}this is the magnet configuration


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Thanks guys, it does indeed work!

BMS is fun to watch, sort of like paint drying but yet captivating.

I use a 30v smart charger to balance the one out stack.

     


   

Bravo, fellas.  Now is the time to take snapshots of the data.

 Ya Flavio is right

"Host finally woke up and listened, thanks to JW who kept insisting and to me that I kept telling everybody I knew what was wrong...

Haaaa!

 

Host finally woke up and listened, thanks to JW who kept insisting and to me that I kept telling everybody I knew what was wrong...
Well anyway,

this is an old Fieldlines logo draft to celebrate.
I would like to say sorry about it once again but it has been beyond our control for quite a while and we had to ask for third party to wake up and do what they were being told, which took some time.

Emails are being worked on, urgently.

I wish you could post pictures of your setup. It's always neat to see what other off gridders have come up with for solutions.
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I agree, it is nice to see what others have done, a great way to find ways to incorporate and make things work better. My houses has a 48V solar system. My well pump shed has its own 12V solar system as the pump is a simple pump with a 12v pump and now I am installing a 12V solar system in my gen shed and sea can. I will only need to fire up the Yamaha 3000watt generator to charge house solar panels in the winter on the short when there isn't enough daylight, but that may be resolved when I add a couple more panels or fire up the 11,500 watt generator to weld.

Right now and through the summer into fall, it takes about 2 hours for sun to top up the batteries from night usage and 3-4 hours if it is overcast. If I can figure out why it won't let me upload picture and get that resolved, I will upload pics.

Well from 5 days of working this 100/50 has put out 26Kwh and the over night low voltage has gone from 22.9/ 23 it has risen to 24.8 and higher as each day goes past. This weekend was planned to put put the 1.5Kw as my son and the rugrats were coming down has morphed into planB where my eldest daughter and her boyfriend are coming around to help out.

Now I did try to get in to reprogramming the FM60 but those soft input keys will not respond so I can just leave it alone as it's programmed for dry cell batteries and the cutoff is 28.8 volts, so basically the 1.9Kw array can do the bulk and when getting close to float the 1.5Kw array can do it's job to top off the charge. This FM60 has been going since about '07 when the MPPT failed on our first install so I really do wonder if I wake it up with 60 amps output will it wake up or say my time is done.

Topped up the battery today and after 4 litres found 10 of the cells were filled the back 2 on the negative side took close to 2 litres  and one of my old SG testers now serve as a single cell funnel. Like with my shed array by putting 6 found 1.9Kw panels on transformed the battery and I am seeing the same thing here so my claim off living off the grid for 20 years plus on a 24 volt 600AH battery stands firm and the genset is a thing of the past.

There is a good reason why I'm going to stay at 24 volts as I did wire my 4Kw motor conversion to that voltage and soon it's going to be in the air so I do think I'll be heating a heap of hot water but I do want the location to be out the back of the farm and gotta pay the council debts first before asking.

Well August is my birthday and 60 it is so that new tractor will get to dig that big hole where it take 2 concrete trucks just to make the base for this 4Kw motor conversion which won't have a tail as a disk brake will do the job.

Eh making free power hasn't been so much fun for 20 years so this is the new upgrade.

Regards Bryan

I've just started trying some of the smaller victron mppt units too.  Mostly for stuff i sell.  I hope it works for you, because i just bought 3. 

It's good to hear you are making upgrades and not spending much money.  That's my kind of project. 

I'm pretty sure i have a fm60 manual downloaded.  I can check if you like.  Send a pm and i can maybe email it of find a link where to find it. 

Google says password is 141 and the manual is on their website.  You've probably found that already, but I'm sitting killing time so what the heck.