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Matrix1000

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General Use blade dimentions for small/medium Axial mill.
« on: May 14, 2005, 01:10:19 AM »
If it were possible to get an off the shelf wood blade for a small/medium axial mill, what would the consensus be as far as the dimensions. I've been searching the web for some good air foils but it seems they are all for airplanes.


Also anyone have more experience than me using autocad etc to make dcx files? I'd like to get a dcx file made using whatever design the majority agrees on.

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wdyasq

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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2005, 07:39:44 PM »
The motherload of airfoils is right here:


http://www.aae.uiuc.edu/m-selig/ads/coord_database.html


Don't forget to go back to the UIUC aerodynamics center and get a quick lesson on how to design a wind-turbine blade, learn several virtual windtunnel programs and report back....


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Re: General Use blade dimentions for small/medium
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2005, 07:47:50 PM »
  Unfortunately, one size doesn't fit all.  One that may work good on one application may not work worth a darn on another.  They really need to be matched up as best as possible to the alternator/generator your using.  If your building the alternator from scratch you can match it to a blade of known characteristics.  You kind of generalize with small/medium... an expected power output might be a better way to generalize the blade ( i.e around 500 watts ).  You also need to know the speed at which it should run at a given wind speed, most are generalized by the TSR rating and speed can be somewhat calculated from there.  


   So all in all you'd need to be just a bit more specific about what your looking for.


   It sounds like Art's 8ft blades can be re-angled to change the TSR they would run at and are fairly inexpensive.  That might be a good place to start for experimenting...


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Re: General Use blade dimentions for small/medium
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2005, 09:32:00 PM »
You'll want to catagorize a range of power outputs that a certain diameter will work with after that you can "push" the limits and tweak a bit by changing angles so which ever blade design you choose you'll want to be able to change the mounting angle to make the generic blade work for diferent alts with different quirks(ie, hard starting or high cut-in etc.).


There will likely be those who disagree but I would speculate a reasonable generic style would be something like a 24-4415 at the root and a 00 to 2412 at the tip and about 12 degrees of twist root to tip with an adjustable mounting angle allowing for about 5 degrees minimum to 8 or so for slower machines. There are better/fancier profiles but a generic blade will likely be best suited to a basic profile that works well over a wide range of conditions. Although I don't believe this is the best for the individual alt. I can see a purpose for a good generic blade for those who don't want or lack the means to build there own.


I guess you could look at this as an attempt to provide a generic profile that is scalable over a range of diameters(unfortunately a small range) as there is no generic diameter. I would also think it's entirely possible some may chose to run a 3 or 5 blade configuration to manipulate a generic design. I won't speculate on cord width/taper as I have a somewhat different philosophy on this. I will say though I'm of the opinion the smaller the diameter the wider the cord as a % of blade length at each station.


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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2005, 04:54:27 AM »
  Seems that what you really need is something to

record the average wind conditions at the site

you are planning to put this blade...even 3 or 4

small windmills built to only start when the wind

blows above a certain speed.

    The following text is a tongue-in-cheek theory:

  Whereby each little windmill has a weight to make it

off balance....one could have a weight

 that it would only start in a +5mph,next one +10,next +15...etc.

  Now depending which ones destruct you'll know

what your average wind is at that location.

  ( I've got one that is slighty off-balance

and it'll only start in a +5mph....so far I've

come to the conclusion that it's going to last

a long time LOL!)

                  Have Fun

                 ( :>) Norm
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Re: Purpose built self-destructing windmills
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2005, 05:24:16 AM »
Perhaps that's what the were up to at Weatherford then!



http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2005/5/13/12819/8541

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Re: General Use blade dimentions for small/medium
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2005, 06:29:02 AM »
Is this about the CNC blades?


Maybe 3 or 4 CNC programs for blades,

offering 3 or 4 stock blades with different properties.


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