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Marco

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Dual up Rotor on Hugh's 4' Machine.
« on: February 10, 2006, 03:02:35 PM »
Just a quick question.


If I was going to dual up the rotors on hughs 4ft single rotor

design, what size diameter should my turbine be?


Would I have to make any other modifications?


I am asking because the 8ft machine is too big for me and the 4ft machine too small!


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Re: Dual up Rotor on Hugh's 4' Machine.
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2006, 08:12:46 AM »
A rough guess - but I think if you did that, kept the windings the same etc... you'd have a decent 6' wind turbine but you'd want to furl it early because it wont be that efficient in higher winds and the stator will probably heat up.


I would try it - and check the cutin speed and design the blade accordingly.  Keep in mind though that the output will be limited by the resistance in the windings and that won't change if you keep the stator the same.  So peak output will remain the same, but it will happen at a lower windspeed.  It might be wise to have a few less windings in there, and go up 1 gage in wire size so the coils are the same size.  Sounds like a fun experiment...

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Re: Dual up Rotor on Hugh's 4' Machine.
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2006, 08:43:36 AM »
I have recently added a rotor with no magnets to one and used it with 5' 6" prop with tsr 5 for use in a very low wind area. It worked exceptionally well as a 4 ft machine, but changing to dual rotor with larger blades has made a dramatic difference in this case ( it really is a hopeless wind area) . I would set it to furl at about 250W to keep it safe.


If you use 2 rotors with magnets and change the winding it will very easilly cope with 6ft blades at tsr 6 and be running well towards stall  so it should easily cope with 7ft but if 8ft is too big I would think perhaps you want to stop at 6 ft.


With the metric magnets (46 x 30 x 10) I have used 100 turns per coil of #15 for a 24 v machine. If you want 12v use 50t of 2 in hand #15 or single #12. Stator increased to 1/2" thick.


The same winding should do for the 2 x 1 x 1/2 magnets, you have plenty in hand and may need to open the gap and use a higher line resistance especially at 24v.


Should be good for 300 to 400 W.


Remember that if you uprate to a larger prop you must increase the furling offset and tail size and length. If you don't then it won't stay in the wind properly and almost certainly won't furl. You must always change everything.

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Re: Dual up Rotor on Hugh's 4' Machine.
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2006, 08:58:22 AM »
Marco

I forgot to mention that there is very little room at the inside of the stator. I made my own hub but if you intend to use a commercial one you may find that the hole in the stator is too small to take a car hub and may be troublesome for a trailer one. If you are not restricted by what you already have, you could increase the magnet disc size to make more room or you may have to use smaller wire than I did. It is certainly a point to watch. I think the hole in my stator is only 3".

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Re: Dual up Rotor on Hugh's 4' Machine.
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2006, 10:47:13 AM »
Thanks for the info,


so I would have (roughly)


Turbine: Dia 5.5 - 6ft


Mags:    16 of 2x1x0.5in (same as hugh's dualled)


Rotor: Slightly larger.


Stator:  Slightly larger with thicker windings (50 turns for 12v). Also to

        accomodate hub better. 0.5in thick


Furling adjustment.


Sound o.k?


Marco

« Last Edit: February 10, 2006, 10:47:13 AM by Marco »