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GeeMac

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Inverter cost
« on: December 12, 2008, 08:46:13 PM »
I am snooping around for an affordable inverter that has more than 1500 watts output. This is new territory for me, so I am taking advantage of our old timer's experience to try to do this right the first time. I have a dozen marine batteries and ten panels charging them.


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Re: Inverter cost
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2008, 02:54:59 PM »
Does this inverter need to also have an AC input and battery charger built in ?


Does it need to be sine wave output inverter, or is MSW OK ?


Do you want it to be 12V, 24V, 48V, 120V,... ?


That kind of stuff...


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Re: Inverter cost
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2008, 04:35:52 PM »
What surge capacity do you require?


Most afordble inverters have limiter surge capability which leads to "why won't my 650 watt inverter start my 450 watt fridge"


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Re: Inverter cost
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2008, 04:43:01 PM »
No AC input required and no battery charger required.

12 volts. Does not need to be sine wave output .
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Re: Inverter cost
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2008, 04:45:59 PM »
I have no idea what surge capacity I need. I am in a home with all the standard appliances and a basement workshop. If the power goes out, I certainly my fridge to run on it.
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Re: Inverter cost
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2008, 05:47:07 PM »
"Fridge" is a tough load.


Maybe look for an 1100W Tripp-Lite, 'FC' version.

Cheap on ebay, sometimes.  Great surge qualities.


"a basement workshop" is out of the question with the grid down.

Be lucky to keep the fridge going a day.

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Re: Inverter cost
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2008, 09:46:41 PM »


I have had pretty good luck with Samlex stuff...  Here's a 2000 Watt MSW

for a couple hundred bucks.


http://www.donrowe.com/inverters/inverters.html


I know you don't need sine wave, but this one looked like a pretty good deal (also Samlex) for $479


http://store.altenergystore.com/Inverters/Off-Grid-No-Utility-Needs-Batteries/1000-to-1999-Watts/Sam
lex-1500W-12V-Samlex-Pure-Sine-Wave-Inverter/p2519/

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Re: Inverter cost
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2008, 09:39:45 AM »
I would like to expand my system to a point where I could supplement the home gas heat with electrical heat from portable units.
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Re: Inverter cost
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2008, 03:01:42 PM »
 You wouldn't need an inverter to power electric heaters. If you build your own heating system they can be run off 12v d/c. saving you the cost of an inverter. Many people use electric heat for their dump load, or in your case to use the wasted PV capability.


 As fas as saving money, you would be better off though using your stored electricity to power your a/c loads (or replacement d/c appliances) vs using the power for heating. In most places, the energy contained in natural gas is far cheaper and more efficiently used than heating by electricity.


 List of good uses for your RE power would include anything that uses a wall wart, lighting needs, low power a/c devices. Of course having both a/c wiring and a d/c wiring system throughout the house would also increase your costs for wiring them.


 As far as running your frige it does sound as though you have a system big enough to do so, however "10 panels and a dozen marine batteries" isn't enough information to go on, they could be 10 w panels, or 250w panels charging a storage system of any size.


 You would need to know the surge wattage of your refrigerator, and buy an inverter of pure sine wave( modified sine wave inverters do not run motors very well) large enough to handle the load.


 One way to keep the system simple is to purchase grid tied inverters that also have the capability to keep a battery bank charged and can be disconnected from the grid in the event of a power outage. This type of system, however is probably the most expensive option.

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Re: Inverter cost
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2008, 12:13:42 AM »
Hi,


If you do not mind a cheap and inefficient system, then a UPS is the answer. Often they get given away the moment the SLA batteries die. A UPS will most likely be a modified sine wave inverter as PCs do not mind the square wave. The UPS will have to be a cold-start model, meaning you can connect the batteries to it and it will run after AC failure. My UPS needs to be connected to live AC to start when AC fails.


A fridge will not start easily as the piston in the compressor may have to work agains back pressure.


Regards,

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