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machinist

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Planning second build!
« on: August 30, 2010, 09:10:13 AM »
I finally have my tower up and ready to mount my 10', 12v turbine on. It's the design off of the otherpower sight. I want to start on a new turbine but I have some questions. I know I can change the wire size and windings on my coil to produce a 24 or 48 volt alternator, but will doing this actually produce more usable power? Will increasing the voltage increase the amperage? I've been toying with the idea of multiple stators.
Or, should I do like 97fishmt did and get a servo?
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Re: Planning second build!
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2010, 01:49:00 PM »
Nothing really pins you down to one choice or the other, except the choices you've made for yourself in the past.  Have only 12V inverters and you don't want to upgrade?  Then you're not going up to 24V for a while...   On the other hand if you get greedy and money is no object, then winding for 48V and getting the extra batteries and new fancy inverter is not an issue.  That's really just your choice.

As for getting more power:  Add up the electrical losses in your system, and factor out the ones that don't have anything to do with current (there aren't many).  This is where going to a higher voltage range offers the most benefits.  Getting an alternator to produce 1000Watts at 12V, 24V or 48V is virtually a coin toss question.  Change wire, change number of turns, presto.  But getting the power OUT of the turbine, down the tower, along whatever cable along the ground you have, push thru a rectifier block or two, and into the batteries - the whole long winding road is what makes the difference.  If there's a 0.05 ohm resistance on that path, then the 80 Amps or so that you need to carry from your 1000 Watt genny will shed about 1/3 of the power as heat in wire!  The same cables hooked up to a 48V mill only needs to carry 20 amps or so, and the same cable size will lose only about 2% of the power as heat.

Any resistance in the cables connecting the genny to the battery bank will have an effect on the turbine, too.  Tends to make it turn faster, the greater the resistance is (I will skip the details of that to not drift off topic).

I figure if you've got your 12v turbine already, have fun with it first!  :)

If you're like me, getting the most out of the first turbine will be a vocation all of its own (and then you'll better appreciate the benefits of going up in voltage or improving what you've got).
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Re: Planning second build!
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2010, 05:16:52 PM »
Will increasing the voltage increase the amperage? I've been toying with the idea of multiple stators.

I had a 48 volt system in my house and went back to 12, which I had originally.  The deciding factor was when we bought a 1 kW solar array made up of 12 volt 123 watt Sharp panels.  We installed 12 volt lighting, 12 volt furnace blower, and 12 volt outlets in the house to run our laptops and charge cell phones many years ago when we first installed a 12 volt system.  Managing that 12 volt stuff was a little bit of a challenge on a 48 volt system.

Since going back to 12 volt I haven't seen any advantage with 48 volt other than the wire size required from the turbine tower to the rectifiers/batteries.  The solar array puts out 70-75 amps on a good day, the turbines put out over 100 amps on a good day, and we got 10 kW of stacked inverter power for half the money that what we had in a 6 kW 48 volt inverter.

So I'd say if you have 12 volt now don't bother changing it.  Spend a little extra on wire from the turbine to the house and save money on the rest of the stuff like inverters, that are cheaper with 12 volt systems than they are for 48.
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