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Got the fever, two worlds meet
« on: February 12, 2011, 03:59:55 PM »
Today I finally integrated all of the solar equipment that you all have helped me build into a pseudo-permanent installation with my main battery (8D) and it's associated periphery.

Other than some odds and ends here and there, my energy consumption has been entirely from RE today. Well, Ok, the heat has been on, but you know what I mean...  ::)

It's amazing what can be done with even just 60W (~45 usable) worth of PV. It's all in how you squeeze it.

I'd take a pic but its kinda a mess in here at the moment, and it's hard to make heads or tails of what exactly is going on.

I'll take some soon and put them up for all to see once I get the place reorganized.  ;D

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Re: Got the fever, two worlds meet
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2011, 05:36:11 PM »
I started out with 12 watts and had great fun with that.
Moved up to 45 watts and felt like it was unlimited power
Doubled that to 90 watts and was leaving the lights on all night
Recently added more to get the 135 watts that I have now. But now if it's Sunny, I can't use all that power and I'm looking for more ways to use the 12 volts from my 8D battery. I'm sure that it won't take me long to max-out the power that I'm generating now. I'm thinking about adding more battery storage now.
Did I mention that I'm having too much Fun . . .

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Re: Got the fever, two worlds meet
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2011, 07:34:19 PM »
It is definitely addictive.

For each thing I find to use, I think of 10 more that 'would be nice'.

It kills me when people want to dive in all the way around here... been dinkin with the stuff for quite a while, few years anyway, and in electronics for well over two decades, and still wouldn't want to do this any other way than by demand - what needs upgrading next...

Besides, like you said, it's a lot of fun. Sure, dropping a hundred grand on a system capable of continuous multi kW production would get the jaws dropping, including my own I'm sure, but that would take all of the remaining entertainment value out of it.

My son still can't figure out what the 'point' is in staring at a meter while the system does it's thing, for example. I've tried to explain to him that it is the electronic equivalent of standing at the front of a car, the hood up, one foot on the bumper, drinking a beer, uttering "yup".

For some reason, he doesn't get the connection.  ???

Oh well, I guess that's what you guys are here for. This crowd knows when to get excited over a particular number displayed on a meter...  ;)

... and how to twist the teat and milk a design for all it's worth when the number doesn't seem quite high enough... (is it ever high enough? LOL)

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Re: Got the fever, two worlds meet
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2011, 07:40:48 PM »
I love it when the grid goes down and power company drive around looking for culprit downed trees  stopping  in front and sometimes driving down my driveway seeing the only,


fully lit and powered house in the hood,not hearing any generator running  ???. makes me feel warm and fuzzy.    :D


the only thing about the power production bug,is you want to make more of it, accessorize....if you will.once your initial infrastructure is in the  add ons  are cost effective as


long as you planed correctly and don't have to change your system out, ex: 12v to 24v or 48v  .

have fun and fuse every thing



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Re: Got the fever, two worlds meet
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2011, 08:31:46 PM »
LOL No doubt...

Fusing is paramount!

Every time I get complacent, I get reminded of why they are there. Although sometimes the fireworks at the end of a long and frustrating night can be something of a 'closure' hahaha

Eh, screw that... <shakes head> I've gotten to the point where filling rooms full of smoke is not really in the entertainment category anymore.

I don't mind watching video of someone else doing it though, when you can make out what is going on that is.

Don't forget either - Real fuses, not Quantum fuses.

You know... That skinny screwdriver shank that technically is thinner than all of the surrounding wiring, and will eventually blow out when pushed hard enough.

The trick is, the uncertainty in terms of current flow that is required for this condition to reveal itself.

In the words of my daughter... First: "WOAH!!" ... later: "but it was pretty!"  :o

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Re: Got the fever, two worlds meet
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2011, 09:24:00 PM »
Well, I got her together, and working like a champ.

Everything here is running on 12V or a direct derivative of it (ie buck and/or boost) with the exception of the head unit.

One thing . . . Excuse the crappy rendering of the panorama; on the other hand, gotta love a Droid!  ;D . . .



From top to bottom, left to right:

'Above' the top shelf: The tweets, providing most of the stereo 'dimension', with a small portable CD player (barely visible) in the center.

Top shelf: The two AIWA dual 4" mid/full range; they sound good by themselves, but really bring in the middle of the spectrum when added to everything else. They don't play around either; each box is capable of handling 125W. Seen 'em do it.  :o

Middle shelf left: The infamous $500 charger, built completely from scratch, but I learned a lot of expensive lessons on this thing. Schematic is available on request just in case anyone wants it. It does what I built it to do, and will probably outlast me in terms of lifespan, but damn, it ought to! It cost me enough!  :-[ The red LED on the panel indicates that there is no AC input from the mains, as is evident by the power cord hanging just above the unit and to the left.

Middle shelf center: My implementation of Commanda's buck converter for solar (search "Commanda's Design" for details). The fan only runs when the toroid is chaotic, which seems to be when the MOSFET and Schottky give up their extra heat. Kinda a natural thing there, didn't have to do much to make it happen. The knob is for manually finding the panel's sweet spot, and there are two LEDs to the right of that. A flashing red indicates that the load side (battery) has become disconnected for whatever reason (blown fuse, etc), the obnoxious as I don't know what blue one indicates that the 5V regulator inside is operational. In the pic, the blue one was masked by several layers of tape to get rid of the starburst in the camera, hence it's wierd appearance.

Middle shelf right: GHurd's dump controller driving two IRFZ44N MOSFETs which drain up to 60W of surplus into six 10R 10W power resistors on the other side of the heatsink. The fan on the heatsink is connected via a Schottky and filter cap so as to run only when the dump load is active. Speed is proportional to power dissipated.

Lower shelf: A Technics 50x50 that I've had for aeons, and it still works as well as the day I got my hands on it from it's previous owner. The only thing ever wrong with it is that the FM receiver took a dive before I got it, but I didn't care, I don't really listen to radio that much at all anyway. $50 makes it one of the more expensive single units in the system. It's also the only piece of equipment that runs on 120VAC.

Inside the cabinet: An old 'Balance Technologies' laptop, whoever made that. Showed up at wally world briefly several years ago, and while I was at the PC shop fixing computers. Long story short, my boss bought a bunch of them, resold them at a margin, and my ex ended up buying one (before we knew where he got it from). Anyway, it works fairly well, the battery was always crap and doesn't work at all now, but it doesn't use much juice (compared to several others I have) and it has a DVD-ROM on it. Good enough to make the cut for the entertainment department! :)

Subwoofer: This one turns heads. It's a single 8 inch quad coil wired as 8 ohms (4x2R series), rated 150W, but is only dished a peak of 60W from a homemade amp I put together a few years ago. There's a thread floating around on here somewhere if someone is interested in how that went. I didn't actually build the amplifier, but I did put the power supply together completely from scratch. It's pretty efficient, considering, and if I had to do it again, I'd make a few adjustments to help with the lower power (ie idle) consumption. Not going to mess with the original, works well enough, and at the time, efficiency wasn't the most important thing anyway; it was for my car.

Battery box: Really all that is in here is just the collection of batteries, the main one that runs everything in the stack is the 8D, the others are there on a 'removable' basis, and this is just kinda their 'home'. I have a special charger adapter that repurposes the laptop's power supply (a boost converter) to charge almost anything and everything that fits in the 12V category. It is a little in disarray; I had a couple of items 'folded up' so that the doors would close while I was testing something and forgot to straighten them back out before taking the pic.

There you have it! A rather robust RE powered entertainment system!

I'll get the exact power requirements as soon as I get a chance, but at a reasonable volume level and just playing music from the Droid, it's somewhere in the 30W range. With the laptop in operation, this doubles and maybe a little more. Probably closer to 70W or so.

Collectively the panels that power this are rated 60W, but I'm only getting between 40 and 50 out of them (depends on how low the battery is and if I do any 'hacks' to maximize the juice). Looks like panels are my next eyeball catcher!  

It's always something! ::)

Steve
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The size of the project matters not.
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