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christopher

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transformer question
« on: May 15, 2012, 04:33:18 PM »
If I have a 240v transformer with a center tap on the primary side and put 120 from tap to one leg do I get 240v leg to leg.If I do is this safe and can I use it as a step up transformer.


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Re: transformer question
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2012, 05:57:12 PM »
Yup thats basicaly called an auto transformer and you even get it 180 degrees out of phase if I recall correctly.
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Re: transformer question
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2012, 06:19:48 PM »
Yes and yes, but be careful not to squeeze too much power out of it.  Start with a lighter load and check the temperature of the transformer after a while.  It it gets too hot for your hand touch then it's too much power.

Another thing one can do with a transformer is to wire the primary and secondary in series, turning it into an autotransformer.  With the mains power feeding the original primary winding, the output voltage from the primary+secondary will be either higher or lower than the primary voltage, depending on whether the secondary is connected in phase or in opposite phase relative to the primary.  Measure with an AC voltmeter, and if it's the opposite of what you want then swap the secondary wires. 

E.g., I've used a 115V-24V transformer (originally intended for a boiler's thermostat system) to get an output of about 90V (115 - 24) to run a fan slower and quieter.  In this case the power running through the transformer is only a portion of the total, so, e.g., a 24W transformer (24V 1A) can handle a fan that uses about 100W.

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Re: transformer question
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2012, 06:45:26 PM »
Thanks guys thats what I was hoping to hear :P.

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Re: transformer question
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2012, 07:21:59 AM »
Yes as others have said, it will work but bear in mind that you will have no isolation between input and output. When you ask whether it will be safe, then this depends on the application.

As for rating, assuming about half the winding is primary and the other half secondary, you may get near full rating using it as described as a step up autotransformer as long as nothing is being taken from the secondary. So much depends on the particular winding that it is a good idea to watch the temperature rise as suggested. Auto transformers can have a very high rating for their size if the transformation ratio is small, but in this case with center tap you have the least favorable condition but half the power is transformwed and half converted directly so you should seen near nominal rating.

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Re: transformer question
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2012, 05:40:35 PM »
thanks flux some pics of the two transformers

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Re: transformer question
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2012, 03:53:19 AM »
Pictures often help.

Obviously those are large ones so you will most likely not have to worry about rating or heating.
The first one is a special, probably welder with high leakage reactance and may behave a bit odd but may not be so odd as an autotransformer using one winding. The high leakage will be mainly between primary and secondary, coupling will be tighter as an auto.

Best of luck with the project.
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Re: transformer question
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2012, 10:25:20 AM »
Still trying best combo so far that I can come up with is 122v up to 217v.

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