Light Wind Heavy Weight Turbine Project - as I build it.

[sean_ork]

For his setup until we really see what's going on, it'll be better for know.

nope it'll just add yet another thing to get wrong

he has a voltmeter and appears to know how to use it

all he has to do is to measure and ensure the load battery isn't below the watts up V min - and if it is that low the load battery needs to be thrown in the bin

[fabricator]

If a 12 volt battery can't supply 4 or more volts he has bigger fish to fry, wired the way i suggested it will always give you all the readings the unit is capable of, there will always be a display, the normally closed switch is to kill positive power to zero the unit out.

[JW]

The doc gets it's info from the negative side of the rectifier

SF, do some casual reading on NPN vs PNP junctions in switching devices, you must consider "active" voltage drop when switching at the ground end, vs BATT+ end switching-wise which would be considered opposite[pnp] (Its not pnp its npn 'ground switching').

JW

[simplefun]

I'm a little confused by the different suggestions as to how the unit should be installed.  Should it look something like this?

[JW]

Simplefun, I found it most interesting that you specify "the direction of current flow" in your schematic.

This is basic electron theory. link-
http://autolabscopediagnostics.com/electron.htm

Electrons are negatively charged particles that move toward something that is positively charged.

Back in the times of older vehicle's when Hole theory was prevalant (vs electron theory) cars and tractors had a 6 volt positve ground.

Basics always follow thru logically...

JW

[fabricator]

I'm a little confused by the different suggestions as to how the unit should be installed.  Should it look something like this?
(Attachment Link)

YES! precisely, with a switch in the wire from the + on the batt to the doc, or you could just unhook the wire if you want to zero the unit, this can be very light gauge wire, I used a wire from a wall wart with a white stripe.

[fabricator]

Simplefun, I found it most interesting that you specify "the direction of current flow" in your schematic.

This is basic electron theory. link-
http://autolabscopediagnostics.com/electron.htm

Electrons are negatively charged particles that move toward something that is positively charged.

Back in the times of older vehicle's when Hole theory was prevalant (vs electron theory) cars and tractors had a 6 volt positve ground.

Basics always follow thru logically...

JW

He didn't, that diagram is from the company website, he just put the battery and rectifier in the right places.

[fabricator]

I'm a little confused by the different suggestions as to how the unit should be installed.  Should it look something like this?
(Attachment Link)

SF, if you wire it up like this it will work guaranteed, unless you smoked it somehow.......................which would not suprise me at this point

[Steadfast]

I'm a little confused by the different suggestions as to how the unit should be installed.  Should it look something like this?
(Attachment Link)

Finally... something that is crystal/retarded clear....
we in the circuitly challenged section thank you.

I will try it when I get home from work today...

[fabricator]

You don't understand the written word? I explained that diagram to you at least three times in extremely clear English.
Then posted a picture with another clear explanation.
I believe you should make sure you have extremely good fire insurance, because you WILL end up burning something down.

[Steadfast]

You don't understand the written word?

ha ha ha ha ha .... you crack me up Fab....   

[Tritium]

You don't understand the written word?

Many can read but few do actually understand the written WORD because of preconceived notions and the desire to do it their way!
If mankind did not have the stated problem then the entire world would be a much better place.

Thurmond

[Mastiffman]

You don't understand the written word? I explained that diagram to you at least three times in extremely clear English.
Then posted a picture with another clear explanation.
I believe you should make sure you have extremely good fire insurance, because you WILL end up burning something down.

You don't understand the written word?

Many can read but few do actually understand the written WORD because of preconceived notions and the desire to do it their way!
If mankind did not have the stated problem then the entire world would be a much better place.

Thurmond

 Sometimes people get issues with "reading comprehension" confused with "explanatory variation".... IF that makes sense... What may seem Crystal Clear to one person, may not to another. Thinking patterns do vary slightly from person to person. There are also other factors that can be involve such as fatigue, stress, nutrition, etc... Some people just need to read/ hear/ see things in a different manner to understand it in comparison to another. Why that is, once again, I believe has many factors.

 I think that patience truly is a virtue when getting someone else to understand things that you are trying to communicate to them.

[Steadfast]

Patience...AND PICTURES ... 

[Mastiffman]

Patience...AND PICTURES ... 

 OH yeah, those too! 

[fabricator]

You don't understand the written word?

Many can read but few do actually understand the written WORD because of preconceived notions and the desire to do it their way!
If mankind did not have the stated problem then the entire world would be a much better place.

Thurmond

And this thread would be about four pages long. LOL

[Mastiffman]

You don't understand the written word?

Many can read but few do actually understand the written WORD because of preconceived notions and the desire to do it their way!
If mankind did not have the stated problem then the entire world would be a much better place.

Thurmond

 Tough Crowd...

And this thread would be about four pages long. LOL

[breezyears]

Pics...written...What more is their.
 All that has been written, and all the pics sent should be MORE than enough for even a nutless monkey to get.
 I could have come into this without the slightest idea of what a wind turbine even is, and by page 16 on this thread, and page 25 on the other, could walk away with my masters in turbine building, and set-up.
 I guess this sight is a great tool for learning.

[Bruce S]

Okay folks.
Let's let the last post that breezyears put up be the last nasty gram for a bit huh?
This is once again going down the wrong path.
Those posting nasty-grams need to take a smoke or coffee break from it for a bit.

AND with that I'll ask Breezyears? Where's the pic and data from yours?
Saying something nasty about someone is easy on a keyboard, let's see your numbers from your mill or your setup .

[breezyears]

I dont recall saying anything nasty about anybody.
 All i was trying to say is, that with all the info gathered on this topic from the collection of experienced people... i have learned a thing or two.
 As for my set up, and results. I just have a 10' 24v Hugh Piggott that i built some time ago after also being led down the treadmill motor path. I infact have no results as i am in the final stages of moving to a larger property where i can attain some.
 But i can tell you that i WILL have results after reading, and following this forum for some time now. And i will most willingly post them.
 
 Thanks,

Steve.

[fabricator]

Don't sweat it, Bruce is of the shoot first and ask questions later school of moderation.

[Steadfast]

Thanks Bruce... but I have a pretty thick skin...
That much must be obvious by now.... ha haaa....

Pics...written...What more is their.
 All that has been written, and all the pics sent should be MORE than enough for even a nutless monkey to get.
 I could have come into this without the slightest idea of what a wind turbine even is, and by page 16 on this thread, and page 25 on the other, could walk away with my masters in turbine building, and set-up.
 I guess this sight is a great tool for learning.

Quite right... you guessed it...

This is in fact the second of two training threads.
they where created for two reasons
1. So that even I could fiquire out how to build one of these.
2. So that others just as clueless as I could learn from my trials and errors.

If I where the smartest guy in the room all these answers to so many questions would not be made so increadibly crystal clear... I have stood proudly on the sholders of giants. (Even though some of them bitched the whole time)  I am proud that my vast incompetence has become a catylist for the education of so many... That is why I did it...

Yes... your welcome...

[Steadfast]

Btw.... fabs..... I rewired the doc to your specification and to that picture simplefun posted.
I will post a picture of it soon....

Also the doc did nothing different with the new wireing ...
but that is only because the turbine only spun upto around 30-60rpms.

Yes the doc works... because before I rewired it I ran some test juice through it to see if the new non-busted chinese solar panel I received in the mail today was working... it is...

[Steadfast]

[sean_ork]

bottom left hand of the display should be Ap (along with a few others)

it's showing zero in the first image, which indicates no current has been put through it, since last power up

what's the highest figure you have seen there ?

[fabricator]

Well, those pics were pointless, except that I can't believe I have to ask this, is that breaker in the line from the positive side of the rectifier to the battery?

[Bruce S]

Don't sweat it, Bruce is of the shoot first and ask questions later school of moderation.

Only 'cause I care  .
Fab, hows the bionic arm? you doing the rack-based torture chamber yet? Or did they go the give you a giant sized rubber band and send you home?

[Steadfast]

Well, those pics were pointless, except that I can't believe I have to ask this, is that breaker in the line from the positive side of the rectifier to the battery?

NOPE... the 70amp breaker is there to protect the inverter from the battery.


ohhh, I can't resist....

You don't understand the written word?

What you don't understand the picture before your eyes?
he he he....

[Steadfast]

bottom left hand of the display should be Ap (along with a few others)

it's showing zero in the first image, which indicates no current has been put through it, since last power up

what's the highest figure you have seen there ?

zero....
but then the Doc was wired differently... til now...
I will see if it recorded anything when I get home.

To Fab's credit: usually he is not wrong about these things.
so, I am hopeful that fab's circuit will work...   We will see....
.

[XeonPony]

Sf  Can you get a nice full in frame shot of the system and perhaps day out a more proper style schematic?  The pictures with the wiring laying all about IS kind of hard to decypher (Lol I'm one to talk my bed has more lose wires at it's foot then most power companies scrap yards!)

For your self n yer families safety you may with to take the time and make a proper distrobution/control pannel try and get the wires tied down, the benifit is two fold as when futur issues creep up fixing them will become way faster!

[Steadfast]

Sf  Can you get a nice full in frame shot of the system and perhaps day out a more proper style schematic?  The pictures with the wiring laying all about IS kind of hard to decypher (Lol I'm one to talk my bed has more lose wires at it's foot then most power companies scrap yards!)

For your self n yer families safety you may with to take the time and make a proper distrobution/control pannel try and get the wires tied down, the benifit is two fold as when futur issues creep up fixing them will become way faster!

I agree... It will not stay this way....

but I have to figure out which Doc Wattson circuit works first...
before I secure down the lines and cut out all unnecessary connections.

So far... I can still keep track of it all... by looking at it.
.
.

[XeonPony]

That's the cherry on the top of when you redo the wiring it oft fixes the glitch!

From years of making basic power/Control panels, and control systems I've repaired, I oft start by just rewiring em properly and they tend to work perfect with no other intervention! I think atm if you where to strip it down and rewire it in a more organized fashion that it will tend to work if not be easier to rectify the issue.

By having it all jumbled up and spread around the links behind fualts get harder to find.

I'm thinking that it may be apart of your problem, fyi as well tape is your enimy any time you can avoid covering up a connection the better for safety and maintanance! Some times they have to be taped but not on a power pannel!

Your upper half of the wiring looks good.

Tips:
Keep your main power feeds seperated and in line with each other in a logical lay out

Signal wires should be neatly grouped seperated clearly from the feed lines

Each contol branch and their signal lines should be clearly marked and run in a clear path to there controled actuator

FYI: Green cable/green with yellow strip should NEVER, I repeat NEVER be used as a current carrying conducter! big no no violated NEC codes around the plannet!

[DamonHD]

Xeon, you are *never* to come and look at some of my 12V internal wiring on the cable 'earth' conductor point.  Please.  B^>

Rgds

Damon