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Re: Light Wind Heavy Weight Turbine Project - as I build it.
« Reply #429 on: July 19, 2012, 11:29:03 AM »
I know one to many people all most snuffed out from that me included, hiting a raw nerve is an understatment! Very dangerous, a bit less so if you are 100% off grid but still an unwise practice in my books!

I would urge any one to get the right conducters to replace it, what is a few extra dollars compared to the life of ones home or their actual life!

In futur it makes it to easy for mistakes, you're a bit tired and the brain whent on a mental vacation with a one way ticket and you need get the sucker wired in Asap, go to ground it next thing you know you have Arc burns, things are glowing white hot and on fire and you think "WTF?!?!" and then come to realize "Oh right I wired that to the possitive of my 1200AH bank"

It is the most dire mistakes that happen when we are tired as we tend to fall back on conventions at that point and not really think much of it.  That why it is so critical to keep to proper codes and conventions.
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« Reply #430 on: July 19, 2012, 11:31:21 AM »
FYI: Green cable/green with yellow strip should NEVER, I repeat NEVER be used as a current carrying conducter! big no no violated NEC codes around the plannet!

Hey...
I colored it red and black with some tape here and there.....
What? That's not good enough?  He he he...   ;D

Besides it is what I had on hand, of that gauge, at the time...   ;)

Are you saying I gotta go out and actually buy $5 worth of more wire?
(i dont know if i can aford that)   he he he....

Tell ya what,
Once, I fully get this stupid Doc wattson thing worked out
Ill get some red and black wire in the green wire's place.
just for you...  ;D
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Re: Light Wind Heavy Weight Turbine Project - as I build it.
« Reply #431 on: July 19, 2012, 11:34:00 AM »
FYI: Green cable/green with yellow strip should NEVER, I repeat NEVER be used as a current carrying conducter! big no no violated NEC codes around the plannet!

Hey...
I colored it red and black with some tape here and there.....
What? That's not good enough?  He he he...   ;D

Besides it is what I had on hand, of that gauge, at the time...   ;)

Are you saying I gotta go out and actually buy $5 worth of more wire?
(i dont know if i can aford that)   he he he....

Tell ya what,
Once, I fully get this stupid Doc wattson thing worked out
Ill get some red and black wire in the green wire's place.
just for you...  ;D

One day when yer tired and sore and half awake and you need to work on the system, you'll thank your self for that! and so will your electrition!
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« Reply #432 on: July 19, 2012, 11:35:25 AM »
I hear ya, XeonPony, your just trying to "get my back" and keep me safe.
no arguments here...
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« Reply #433 on: July 19, 2012, 12:47:38 PM »
bottom left hand of the display should be Ap (along with a few others)

it's showing zero in the first image, which indicates no current has been put through it, since last power up

what's the highest figure you have seen there ?
zero....
but then the Doc was wired differently... til now...
I will see if it recorded anything when I get home.

It's not my circuit, it's straight from the doc website, IIRC Chris Olson pointed it out to me.







To Fab's credit: usually he is not wrong about these things.
so, I am hopeful that fab's circuit will work...   We will see....
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« Reply #434 on: July 19, 2012, 01:22:09 PM »
Don't sweat it, Bruce is of the shoot first and ask questions later school of moderation. ;)
Only 'cause I care  ::).
Fab, hows the bionic arm? you doing the rack-based torture chamber yet? Or did they go the give you a giant sized rubber band and send you home?

Yeah, I go for physical torture twice a week into the end of August, but it has actually all been amazingly painless.
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« Reply #435 on: July 19, 2012, 01:28:12 PM »
Fab, hows the bionic arm? you doing the rack-based torture chamber yet? Or did they go the give you a giant sized rubber band and send you home?

Yeah, I go for physical torture twice a week into the end of August, but it has actually all been amazingly painless.

 My Dad had to get a rotator cuff repaired a couple of years ago and he had what we all called "The Electric Chair" in his livingroom for some time with daily theropy on it...

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« Reply #436 on: July 19, 2012, 02:03:56 PM »
Yeah I had a thing with four electrodes that had sticky pads around the shoulder, I had to turn it on five times a day for two weeks, If I turned it up too high it would make my whole arm jump and twitch, they said was to keep the muscle stimulated when  I was not supposed to be using it at all.
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« Reply #437 on: July 19, 2012, 02:20:55 PM »
Tens unit, went through 4 of them in between both shoulders and my spine. Now they want to implant one in my lower back to limit the nerve pain coming from my legs. My power panel is laid out a bit neater Steadfast


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« Reply #438 on: July 19, 2012, 04:17:00 PM »
Yup, had once after right knee surgery. Being the goof-ball while in class for medical equipment in FLA... we would turn it on and up to see how high it would go before leg flopped around :-)
Knee still working just fine,
Similar to those units you see on TV for 6-pack abs.

Amazing how much can be done with a little 9V battery!
Scary to see what an EKG looks like while the bugger is on  :o

SF, I used a varnished piece of old kitchen cabinet to lay my stuff out on.
Wood is a great insulator .
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« Reply #439 on: July 19, 2012, 06:00:15 PM »
Yep, but it's actually spelled Tenn for some reason, it had the tenn setting then three other buttons for other things, I never used those though, this one just worked on two AA cell batts and they would last for five one hour treatments per day, I had two sets of rechargeable batts.
As for the wiring job, sorry SF but I could NEVER post a pic of a mess like that, and that is not a jab or being an ahole, it is unarguably a mess, jobs worth doing are worth doing right, and it don't take that much longer.
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« Reply #440 on: July 19, 2012, 06:23:39 PM »
I agree, once in a great while while im trouble shooting something I may use "jumper wires" and I almost never would take a picture of that. But this would mean Im having major problems with how some circuit didnt work out as intended.

When I embark on a new project as im making my bill of materials and such, its good to layout a "wiring harness's" according to a schematic that one can review with others, even if you have to go in, and perform surgery on the circuit, it came from a well thought out and competed design you had to commence.

Your flying by the seat of your pants and this may be fashonable, but its reckless.

Better you did not display those pictures. Im will to help you change them if you would like.

One thing that concerns me here, "yes, you are doing something, and new users may reference this".

It just doesnt help to make every mistake on purpose. Instead of the process having 6 steps, you've designed it with 80, thats not very efficient....

In any event carry on, use the comparison with other pictures members of the board :) are posting and emulate that...

Newbies would gain better from that approache.

Also, you're tower did turn out fantastic :) :) ;)

In that case your approache does work, but its a little much for the wiring and fuse protection side of things.


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Re: Light Wind Heavy Weight Turbine Project - as I build it.
« Reply #441 on: July 19, 2012, 07:04:55 PM »
A good way to set up an RE system is to think of how it flows from the RE collectors (turbine/solar) to the AC end of the system and set it up that way. 
From the RE in end, to the rectifier, to the batteries, to the battery charge control system, then from the batteries to the inverter then from the inverter to the AC breaker box.
It should be laid out in a logical fashion that flows from the DC end to the AC end, and it sure wouldn't hurt to use raceways or wire loom, you can get really nice plastic wire races at menards or home despot or lowes.
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« Reply #442 on: July 19, 2012, 07:10:42 PM »
I have different inverters now and twelve batteries and no wires are visable but doing it like this is really not that hard.
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« Reply #443 on: July 19, 2012, 07:15:25 PM »
And now there is a 24 volt buss box, I can also pull 12 volts from it.
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« Reply #444 on: July 19, 2012, 07:58:39 PM »
Here is the doc wattson photo with a new "AP" reading it has not displayed before...
is it working? or is this just my imagination.

There was zero wind blowing so i could not see any other readings.



very nice work fabs...nice and clean...
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« Reply #445 on: July 19, 2012, 08:03:55 PM »
What is that on the bottom pic- "Fab" Thats the tinyest air compressor ive ever seen, you should be ashame :0

Mines floating out on the pad we poured for it /slab/ using the main air line as a tether, is flex Stainless tubing...




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« Reply #446 on: July 19, 2012, 08:08:14 PM »
I have one of those... not as big...
what are you using yours for?
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« Reply #447 on: July 19, 2012, 08:13:02 PM »


so...is the doc working?  is it pulling info from the rectifier now?
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« Reply #448 on: July 19, 2012, 08:22:28 PM »
Yes, that is the peak amps produced since you turned it on. The W is the watts it's making right now and the A is the amps it is producing right now. the bottom right is of course the present battery voltage.
When the turbine is running the top two will constantly be changing and the bottom left records and displays peak amps peak watts and kWh produced since the last time the power was disconnected.
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« Reply #449 on: July 19, 2012, 08:28:36 PM »
cool.... now i can clean up all my connections...
make em purdy look'n fur yall...

the AP is the only thing that changed since yesterday.
will the turbine need to hit "cut in" before the doc will start displaying data on the top two meters?
or
are we passed that problem now.
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Re: Light Wind Heavy Weight Turbine Project - as I build it.
« Reply #450 on: July 19, 2012, 08:38:36 PM »
What is that on the bottom pic- "Fab" Thats the tinyest air compressor ive ever seen, you should be ashame :0

Mines floating out on the pad we poured for it /slab/ using the main air line as a tether, is flex Stainless tubing...

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That is a dedicated compressor for the air brake on the turbine a 1/4" air line runs to the turbine, but I have found isn't necessary. I have a 120 gallon eight horse compressor out in the shop, those pics are in my basement, it's a handy little sucker though, it'll run a roofing nailer with one inch nails or a brad nailer.
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« Reply #451 on: July 19, 2012, 08:39:42 PM »
Quote from: SteadFast
I have one of those... not as big...
what are you using yours for?

My shop-













Most of the technical data I have to follow is pretty dynamic and application specific, which we are beginning to see here with windpower.

I am a ASE Re-Certified Master Automobile Technician (spanning about 19 years) current till 2015 and ASE Certified Advance Level Specialist until 2016

Schematics are crucial, perhaps you should spawn a new thread covering your learning curve there.

Likewise if you could compartmentalize your experiences related to sound Tower construction based on what you learned interacting with the group, such a summary would benifit those new to windpower more directly to this and the other thread.

I realize this is the hard part, so put some additional thought into it and see what you come up with. The idea is to sidestep multiple inherent mistakes, that's when folks benifit, because they save time and energy, you have the right idea.

I once heard this from a friends teacher in high school, it was an art class, here's how it went-

Its better to execute a simple idea well, than a complicated idea poorly.


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« Reply #452 on: July 19, 2012, 08:45:05 PM »
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That is a dedicated compressor for the air brake on the turbine a 1/4" air line runs to the turbine, but I have found isn't necessary.

Hydralic brake with a servo on the master cyinder would be more energy eff. But you couldnt have any leaks, actually a manual lever could shut down without any power, are you using a piston caliper and a disk?



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« Reply #453 on: July 19, 2012, 08:55:09 PM »
cool.... now i can clean up all my connections...
make em purdy look'n fur yall...

the AP is the only thing that changed since yesterday.
will the turbine need to hit "cut in" before the doc will start displaying data on the top two meters?
or
are we passed that problem now.

Time will tell, but yeah, it looks like you have it hooked up right now, is the bottom left display constantly changing between Ap Wp and kWh?
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« Reply #454 on: July 19, 2012, 09:02:39 PM »
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That is a dedicated compressor for the air brake on the turbine a 1/4" air line runs to the turbine, but I have found isn't necessary.

Hydralic brake with a servo on the master cyinder would be more energy eff. But you couldnt have any leaks, actually a manual lever could shut down without any power, are you using a piston caliper and a disk?



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It's an  air cylinder on and 18" drum/rolled strip, the shoe has 1/4" thick clutch lining material on it, it has worked perfectly for four years now in any wind I've tried it in, but I got my furling dialed so good it never gets used any more even in the worst storms.
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« Reply #455 on: July 19, 2012, 10:00:14 PM »
Fabricator you need more surface area for the 1/2inch width you have there for friction material, I would recommend a thin brakeband whatever you have there 10inch or more etc, and a good size anchor about 5/8in and the standard pull cable attachment,(force direction) when the cable is tightened the brakeband presses hard around the band drum or disc in this case.

If you could make the rotor braking width wider, you could use less cable force and achive more efficient manual braking.

I see no difference pulling a lever, thats pulling the braking cable, vs a hydralic or pneumatic system. A band brake system would work fine. You dont have enough friction brake material if you got into trouble with gaile wind gusts. All running that air compressor would do is drain your storage bank, while shuting down the turbine.

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« Reply #456 on: July 19, 2012, 10:05:35 PM »
What im saying is, if the turbine only spins in one direction then the brake band would force the turbine to stop rotating.

What if the thing was furling, and your watching stuff come apart from the ground.

Seems to me the last time DanB pointed out a failure with one of his machines before the fire, it had to do with furling or the tail coming loose.

break downs/failures  Danb

http://www.fieldlines.com/index.php/topic,146464.msg1002880.html#msg1002880

Tail failure  Danb
http://www.fieldlines.com/index.php?topic=146452.0



Its no problem to make a custom brakeband for what you have with that circumfial surface area on your braking rotor.


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« Reply #457 on: July 19, 2012, 10:09:12 PM »

Time will tell, but yeah, it looks like you have it hooked up right now, is the bottom left display constantly changing between Ap Wp and kWh?
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« Reply #458 on: July 20, 2012, 08:20:29 AM »
Cool, you got it man.
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« Reply #459 on: July 20, 2012, 08:24:47 AM »
What im saying is, if the turbine only spins in one direction then the brake band would force the turbine to stop rotating.

What if the thing was furling, and your watching stuff come apart from the ground.

Seems to me the last time DanB pointed out a failure with one of his machines before the fire, it had to do with furling or the tail coming loose.

break downs/failures  Danb

http://www.fieldlines.com/index.php/topic,146464.msg1002880.html#msg1002880

Tail failure  Danb
http://www.fieldlines.com/index.php?topic=146452.0



Its no problem to make a custom brakeband for what you have with that circumfial surface area on your braking rotor.


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The drum is 1" wide, and like I said I haven't used it in three years so this one isn't getting changed, it's as good as it's gonna get, it has easily stopped the machine in 30mph winds.
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« Reply #460 on: July 20, 2012, 08:33:02 AM »
Well it looks good anyway Fab. How did you bend the ring.

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Re: Light Wind Heavy Weight Turbine Project - as I build it.
« Reply #461 on: July 20, 2012, 04:19:29 PM »
Hi Fab.

Thats a masterclass machine . I see it for the first time.
Pneumatic brake . Altough you dont use it because of good furling adjust.
Battery bank 24 and 12 volt .
What is the propeller diam ? And tower height ?

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