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Chester

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The Permogator Saga (cont'd)
« on: July 13, 2004, 05:58:38 PM »
Here is the drawing of the dream for Permogater II:





This is my first attempt at creating an "over unity" device. One that appears to generate more energy than it consumes. Although, permanent magnets contain energy that doesn't appear to increase in entropy, under ambient conditions, there is no magic intended, other than to utilize that apparently inexhaustable energy. Unlike the big bang theorists, however, I will not attempt to violate Newton's third law.


This device uses the same coils as Permogater I, which are pried out of surplus ferrite chokes and have about 50 turns of 20 AWG magnet wire, each. There are 30 per stator, or a total of 60 in the alternator. 15 coils comprise the motor. The energy contained in the alternator magnets, I will attempt to utilize 4 times to generate power for each time that I utilize the energy in the motor magnets. We shall see how that works.


Using a 555 timer chip to control battery pulses to the coils in the motor, thus attracting 1/2 by 1/4 neo magnets to them, should cause the disc the magnets are mounted on to spin rapidly. This is the same principle used in Permogator I and I am confident of this happening in this larger, heavier machine. In turn the motion will cause the magnets mounted between the coils on the rim of the disc to generate electricity by stimulating magnetic flux in the coils. Alternating the poles of the magnets should produce AC current and the way the coils are oriented, it will be two phases at 90 degrees (though it could easily be 4 phases).


I have designed the coil windings on one side of the rotor to face opposite those on the other side. I don't know if this is the best way. Input would be appreciated.


The material of the rotor is clear acrylic. Two 1/4 by ten inch discs, obtained from Tapp Plastics (very nicely round and laser cut, polished edges) are laminated together to give an overall thickness of about 1/2". Pockets will be drilled back to back for the alternator magnets and so, there should be no need to glue them in. They will hold themselves there quite nicely, I think. Don't know yet if the inside mags will need some glue or not.


One thing I found when building Permogator I, was, the space between the coils and magnets had a lot to do with the power generated. I'm going for a .031" air gap on this machine. I hope I get the holes for the shaft, bearings and collars straight! This is my biggest nightmare.


The shaft and bearing are from McMaster Carr, press in type. The bushing is a keyless type that expands to the bore while contracting to the shaft. Neat, but rather expensive. The bearing is rated for electric motors 25000 RPM, and is housed in an aluminum, one piece clamping collar that is secured to the stator by aluminum sex bolts.


The material of the stator is also clear acrylic, 1/2 inch thick by 12 inches square. Purchased from McMaster Carr, these are nicely square cut and as a bonus have a paper protective covering that one can be draw on with a pencil. Makes the layout easy.


Hopefully, some of you that have built these things will point out where I have gone astray on this design. I have read a great deal of the postings here over the last couple of months and have tried to incorporate what I have learned from the very knowledgeable and excellent writers posting here. I know I have very much to learn still and will be very appreciative of any help offered.


Chester

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finnsawyer

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Re: The Permogator Saga (cont'd)
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2004, 09:30:42 AM »
Concerning the cost of a scope.  Earlier this year an outfit called Edlie Electronics had an Elenco dual trace 25 mhz scope for $400 and a 40mhz for $500.  Their phone number is 1-800-645-4722.  If the price is still too high look for a 10 mhz or lower.  Hope this helps.
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Chester

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Re: The Permogator Saga (cont'd)
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2004, 10:55:59 PM »
Hi George. I bought the Kikusui for 70 bucks plus freight. I think it shipped today, so I should get it sometime next week. Once it gets here, I will discover what I need to buy to make it work, which is probably a lot.


The drill press arrived! It's a floor mount from Grizzly. 12 speeds, 3/4 horse, 5/8 chuck with adjustable, tilting table and it drills perpindicular holes. That's nice for a change. I drilled my first hole in the center of the stator. Dang. In the center and perpindicular. I then drilled a hole in the rotor pattern piece and hit it dead center as well. I used a screw post as an axle with a 1/32 nylon washer and spun the pattern rotor on it. It spun and spun and spun. Hardly any friction and it maintained the air space on its entire ten inch diameter. Square and straight.


The ball bearing arrived today and it just ain't going to cut it. First it slips over the shaft and therefore won't work, since the bearing I want has to be press fitted. Secondly it doesn't move freely. Not nearly as friction free as the 15 cent screw post with washers. I am redesigning, using the screw post.


I laminated the two 1/4 by 10 acrylic circles together tonight using fingernail polish remover. It's mostly acetone and since I have two very flat surfaces, I'm going to disolve them together a bit. We used to glue acrylic together like this in eighth grade shop class. Worked 45 years ago, should work now.


The Grizzly folks gifted me with a five inch drill press vise. I wasn't expecting that. I don't know how they can sell the things for 200 bucks to begin with. Made in China, but it's a quality unit. Is labor that much cheaper in China?!


Should have this machine ready to test in about a week, I hope.


I'll upload a drawing with the new bearing design in a few minutes.

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Chester

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Re: The Permogator Saga (cont'd)
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2004, 11:14:00 PM »
Here is the side view with the new bearing design. About 20 cents.





Close up.





Simple is usually so simple.

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