Bedini Motor

[iFred]

I have created a new diary, I am going to build a bedini motor. I need your help. See the link.

http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2004/9/26/13229/1318

THANKS!!!

Fred

[Roamer195]

When "radiant" energy is directed into a capacitor, the capacitor charges. THEN it's usable in regular circuits. Certain transient "spikes" in power systems ARE a manifestation of radiant energy. This motor, when tuned properly, creates a resonant system that CAUSES and overabundance of these "transients" and collect them. At the same time, the resonant portion of the circuit requires only a small, fixed amount of steady power to maintain the resonance, keeping the semiconductors cool.

This was done by Tesla a while after his AC technology had already been commercially accepted. This is what led him to say that his AC stuff was a "failure". He wasn't nuts. He was just having a really difficult time getting people to understand what he was doing.

[methernitha]

Thanks, but doesn't Bedini patent (and many other attemps at construction like Lindemann) show a substantial gearing? On my model timing wheel turns once for every 16 of fly wheel. Have tried adding more copper strips to commutator pick up which also increases switching timing. I know that Bedini seems to put a lot of emphasis on the timing of the switching. Do you know if there is any more info on this or is it just a matter of experimenting?

[Roamer195]

If you watch the videos of his motor running and charging, you'll see that he demonstrates with a very slow pulse input to the batteries from the caps.

I've always gone by a very simple formula. I want the cap to discharge into the battery at less than 10v above the battery voltage. So, you can either put a bigger cap on the motor output or you can increase the pulse-rate.

The batteries will be become "conditioned" to whatever pulse-rate you choose.

There is a solid state pulser shown on this page.

http://www.icehouse.net/john34/index100.htm

Specifically, this pic:

http://www.icehouse.net/john34/mono-pole11.jpg

This circuit eliminates the mechanical load of the commutator wheel. That's a good thing.

The ideal situation to find resonance is to have virtually no loading on the wheel, just bearing friction, nothing else. The wheel is a mechanical rotary resonant "tank".

It gives and takes physical force on a 1:1 basis and the stator is giving and taking an EM field to match it. Ideally, this would be a ZERO POINT exchange, requiring no net power input to maintain the system (flywheel action). But, this IS the real world, and we're using up input power to overcome bearing and air friction.

Now that you understand that the motor, itself is the MECHANICAL equivalent of a capacitor/inductor tank, go back and read the Kron material here:

http://www.icehouse.net/john34/

and it should make a little more sense. Read what Bedini is saying very plainly about WHERE the "extra" power is entering the system.

[mercurous]

Roamer:

I was wondering if you or anyone else who has been able to get overunity behavior out of their device could post some well-documented tests that show the total power that should be available in the batteries against the total power extracted through a load without connecting it to anything else in the meantime.  I have not seen results of this test anywhere and my confidence in the Bedini motor is waining as I have been unable to get mine to work.  The closest test I saw was the TUV test which only mentioned the final battery voltages but not the power through a load.  I think this would help encourage a lot of people to start or continue working on these devices.  Thanks.

[Roamer195]

Hi Merc!

 Don't be too discouraged. There's a lot to digest.

 In my experience, if the device is not big enough to pop the voltage up on the receiving battery, then you either need to step down a battery size OR add more stators around the wheel. Since his basic device is just a slow pulsing of a the output capacitor across the battery, you could start there also by modifying the pulse rate.

If you look at all the pics, you'll see some things to try.

http://www.icehouse.net/john34/bearden.html

Read the top paragraph and look at the old prototype machine design. Ignore the motor on the front end. Look at the way it CHARGED the capacitor then PULSED that cap across the battery. This is the SAME FINAL CHARGING SYSTEM. But, that old system rips rotating contacts to pieces. SNAP! SNAP!

The only component that's not shown in that diagram is the diode between the ENERGIZER(magneto) and the capacitor. The single diode provides pulsed DC "ramp" charging of the capacitor.

Screw a steel sheetrock screw into a block of wood and leave the HEAD of the screw about 3/4" above the surface. Now wind about 200 turns of magnet wire on it. Now mount the wood block so that the screw head get's pulsed by the rotor magnets as they spin by. Put a single diode on one lead of that small coil and charge an electrolytic capacitor with it. THIS is the OLD SYSTEM for charging the caps. It requires the motor on the front end to use it's emf internally, producing torque to turn the magneto. You'll notice that as the capacitor voltage rises the motor speed will also rise due to the lessening load on that winding.

The new (monopole motor) system just uses the emf directly by sending it back out to the capacitors, greatly improving efficiency since there are fewer drag points.

If you put a load on the small coil the motor will slow down, power input will drop, and the capacitor will still charge with emf in a regular fashion. This is demonstrated in the "shoolgirl" motor posted at:

http://www.keelynet.com/bedmot/bedmot.htm

Here's another modification he made to modernize the output.

Solid state pulse output using power transistors as "finals".

http://www.icehouse.net/john34/index100.htm

The specific pic is:

http://www.icehouse.net/john34/mono-pole11.jpg

In this one a 555 timer is used to control the output pulse-width and pulse-rate. You could just as easily control the transistors with some nice clean low-voltage commutation. Then you don't need to fry your contacts all the time and you get more consistant output pulses.

John B. has really put all the info up, it's just spread around. You need to look deep sometimes to find the answers. I'm still discovering small points that I'd previously missed.