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rotornuts

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E-Bike hub motors
« on: May 05, 2006, 08:35:09 PM »
Below is an image of my commuter vehicle. It's a regular mountain bike with a 400 watt Crystalyte bike conversion. 36 Volt controller and battery pack(3-12 ah 12V SLA's). This motor will take up to 72 volts with the 36-72 V controller.


I ride 25km round trip charging at each end but the bike has a range of 30-35km at 30km/h. Works far better than I expected.


I'm getting closer to my original objective of having something to charge with a small wind system but neccesity has finnally led me to the load before the charging system.


These motors are radial flux, neo's on the hub, stator mounted to the axle wound on laminates. Will work as a generator as they are designed for low rpms. Unloaded my version will run at a max 472 rpm at 48 volts.


Motor specs:


15 amps, 13.51 N.m, at 334.9 rpm and 473.8 watts. The price spoked on a wheel is around $275.00 CDN but my local dealer will sell just the motor for cheaper. He also says he gets used motors on upgrade trade-ins so maybe 150.00 or less for used.


a link to manufacturers site:


http://www.crystalyte.com/


And the bike:





Will it work well enough for a turbine though?


Mike

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Re: E-Bike hub motors
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2006, 06:06:55 PM »
that is really cool .

is it  able to charge the batteries as it goes downhill.??..

that should save a lot of power if it does ..
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Re: E-Bike hub motors
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2006, 07:31:33 PM »
that is one hell of a find there .

although i like building my own that would make  a nice lil' genny package
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Re: E-Bike hub motors
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2006, 09:33:46 PM »
Those are good ebike motors but a little expensive, especially for a genny.
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Re: E-Bike hub motors
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2006, 12:25:16 PM »
 


    Look's like a pretty good bagain compared to mopeds, but how does it perform? ie. cuising speed and hill climbing boost? keith

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Re: E-Bike hub motors
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2006, 08:53:32 PM »
Did you see that crystalite actually offers a down wind turbine on their site? Wonder if they use one of these motors as a genny.


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Re: E-Bike hub motors
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2006, 12:01:23 AM »
The bike will cruise under it's own power at 31 km/h. You can start from a dead stand still with no pedal assist but I usually pedal with it anyway.


I can cruise on level ground at around 36 km/h if I pedal with it at a sustainable pace but that's about the rpm limit of the motor to provide any assistance, any faster than that is on my own steam. It needs assistance up hills but it seriously relieves the burden of long hill climbs.


I just hooked up the computer so tommorow I'm going to clock the distance to work. I fried my meter a couple months ago so after I pick up a new one I can get some readings on what's happening while I ride.


As far as price goes, it's important to remember that not everyone has the savy nor the facilities to manufacture thier own generator. I work as a machinist and am fully capable of making my own generator but I lack the space and equipment at home. Most of my tools are in storage and I have no garage. I can still get the job done but I can't imagine it being that easy for someone with little experience doing this kind of work.


It's also interesting to note that the more experience one has in manufacturing the more one realizes that some things are just plain cheaper to buy. I doubt many people here could build the same thing for less. Magnets and wire and your over a hundred bucks. At the shop we buy stuff every day that we could easily make ourselves but not for less than we can buy it for.


Sometimes, as many here have done, If you buy the components you need to get a working system going you'll be much farther ahead in your understanding when you go to build from scratch.


Now when I go to build my own version of an electic bike I'll much better understand what I'm up against and in the mean time I have a very working version.


BTW, did I happen to mention my fuel, registration and insurance costs are nothing and the electricity is around 6 cents a day!


Happy trails


Mike

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Re: E-Bike hub motors
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2006, 10:50:20 AM »
Wow! I thought my Jialing Passport was thrifty. The same trip on it would cost $0.20. And that's in US money. I can go 48mph though so the extra 14 cents gets paid back with my time.

John....
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Re: E-Bike hub motors
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2006, 12:16:31 PM »
Mike,


I think the hub motor can work as an alternator. You would have to remove the control circuit and connect the phases to rectifiers.


The following picture is an alt used by Futurenery to build windturbine. I find it extremly similar to the bike motor:





I found this picture on e-bay


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Re: E-Bike hub motors
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2006, 11:04:00 AM »
I'd say that is a hub motor. I though it should work but I'm curious how well.


If I had a rear hub motor I'd spin it up and see.


Mike

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Re: E-Bike hub motors
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2006, 11:11:44 AM »
48 mph is very impressive but I'm sure as you know illegal. I won't tell if you don't.


I'm going to bump up to a 72 volt system. On a 16 inch wheel that yields a 50km/h top speed so on my 26 inch i'll do better . 35 km/h is the legal limit in Alberta for E-bikes but I don't forsee a problem and I'm willing to chance it.


They say above 30 mph(50 ish km/h) the power consumption soars and range suffers badly so we'll see.


Mike

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Re: E-Bike hub motors
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2006, 03:11:21 PM »
I found some more pics web surfing:











If you look at the bike motors webpage they have a link to a 1kw downwind turbine.


Also, do a google search for Futurenergy and you'll see that they are selling 12,24,32 & 48 volt mills using these motor/alternators...


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Re: E-Bike hub motors
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2006, 02:15:07 PM »
Thanks for the pics. That's nice to see where they placed the hall sensors.


Mike

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Re: E-Bike hub motors
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2006, 01:24:44 PM »
nothing illegal about going 48mph in a 50mph zone. I like keeping up with traffic but it would be nice to go electric if only for the noise reduction.

John
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