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willib

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blade tip percussion wave
« on: July 12, 2006, 08:18:33 PM »
percussion? i'm not sure what to call it

but it is a sound only heard close to the tips of the blades , and is inaudable from any other distance. sorry its 304Kb , but i did make it a lot smaller than it was :)

there are three parts you will hear:

it opens with the fan on low after 10 seconds i switch the fan on medium , after 20 seconds i switch the fan on high, then i turn the fan off and let them slow down.

http://www.otherpower.com/images/scimages/2965/blade4.wav
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Re: blade tip percussion wave
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2006, 02:35:26 PM »
Hi willi,

  Sound travels through different things at different speeds.


The fan blade itself transmits the motor hum through the blade.  However, you only hear this hum when the blade is near your ear.  Once your ear isn't close to the blade tip, you hear the motor hum thru the air.  Since the noise of the hum travels at different speeds thru air and blade material, the constant hum sounds interrupted, like a percussion.


If the air and blade material all transmitted sound at the same speed, you would hear a constant hum from the motor.  Since you are hearing the motor through different mediums as the blade spins, you hear a percussion of sound, rather than a constant hum.  You see the same effect viewing movement with a strobe light - the movement appears choppy since you only see the movement at different stages, just as you only hear the hum transmitted thru the blades when the blade is right by your ear.


If you were to attach a microphone to the tip of the blade, you would just hear a constant hum through the blade.  It is only when you listen to the hum through different substances that you hear the changes in hum frequency.


Does that make sense?


Also, think about how a fan will distort sound waves if you speak through a fan.  Also, think of the Doppler effect, how the sound of a passing car changes as it passes you.

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Re: blade tip percussion wave
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2006, 04:15:27 PM »
Willib;


Eek, proprietary audio format not supported by several operating systems not based in Redmond.


At risk of sounding negative, if you had saved it as MP3 that is cross platform and almost anyone can listen to it then.


Cheers.


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Re: blade tip percussion wave
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2006, 04:27:41 PM »
Tom...


I don't mean to sound negative or flame anybody, and I know that m$ bashing is cool, but I've been playing *.wav files on non-Redmond equipment for years.  This file plays just fine on my stock redhat and knoppix boxes...

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Re: blade tip percussion wave
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2006, 04:49:52 PM »
A;


Well, all I know for sure is Firefox on OS X wants me to download additional software to play it and mp3's play as is.


Not using Freds hat or Knoppix for surfing these days here.


Cheers.


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Re: blade tip percussion wave
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2006, 05:21:09 PM »
Thanks Alan ,

yeah i thought wav files were pretty standard , it also plays nicely in winamp
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Re: blade tip percussion wave
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2006, 07:12:14 PM »
yes it makes perfect sense , BTW the blade sound i recorded was from my 3.5' foot turbine blade tips, the fan was just to get them spinning.
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Re: blade tip percussion wave
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2006, 08:19:37 PM »
Tom,


If you right click and download it to the desktop, I think you can play it in iTunes.  For me I use Safari and I've already downloaded the Window's Media player from Microsoft long ago.


Hope this helps

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Re: blade tip percussion wave
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2006, 10:24:49 PM »
I think that you are probably recording the percussion, as a vortex spins of the end of the wing (blade), but as the mic' is static to the moving blade you are- as was pointed out- getting it as a pulse.


If you were to mic up the blade tip you would get a continuous hum, but if play back was slowed down enough, I reckon that you will hear individual pulses as the vortexes spiral away or collapse.


An interesting experiment non-the less.


cheers

John

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Re: blade tip percussion wave
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2006, 07:07:08 AM »
I believe one blade sounds different than the other 2?

How is the tracking?

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Re: blade tip percussion wave
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2006, 05:35:02 PM »
Ghurd noticed !!

when i investigated , i found one blade was 3/8" closer to the back of the alt than the other two

which made it sound lower in volume than the other two, because it was farther away from the mic

good ears
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Re: blade tip percussion wave
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2006, 06:45:55 PM »
You know, if you can plot the sound pulses against time accurately, I bet you could spot an out of balance blade set from just the sound, even which blades are heavy and light.  Rich
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Re: blade tip percussion wave
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2006, 07:17:57 PM »
i've been trying to do just that, plot the pulses Vs. time

creative sound blaster has a nice program called wave studio which lets you look at the whole sound file , or just parts of it :)
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