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gotwind

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Ben's Solar bike project
« on: August 10, 2006, 06:22:38 PM »



This project was a way of using the ongoing power I am producing both from my 100w Ametek wind generator and 5w solar panel.

The basis of the project was a second hand Sinclair Zeta II bought on eBay for £21 ($40) - originally manufactured from 1997 - 2000, but no longer avilable.It uses a 12v 7ah Yuasa sla battery and the motors max power rating is 168 watts - coupled with a rear mounted 12v 5w solar panel with blocking diode and 1 amp fuse fitted.

I had the bike and solar panel already, the additional total cost to make was £30($50).

i.e about 6 gallons of fuel (petrol) in U.K (absolute madness).


It works well for my daily 2 mile commute to work, although the motor is under powered and is more use as pedaling assistance.


However it requires No licence, tax or insurance(in the UK) + No fuel costs or parking fees or queuing in traffic!

More info and hi-res pictures on my website.

http://www.gotwind.org/solar_electric_bicycle_project.htm


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fungus

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Re: Ben's Solar bike project
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2006, 12:28:16 PM »
Looks quite good. Obviously it wont last long on the small battery but it could be upgraded. By the way, you said "my 100 wind generators" instead of "my 100w wind generator's" lol!
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Re: Ben's Solar bike project
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2006, 12:33:41 PM »
You would see better results with a hub motor ... I believe they sell for $130.00 or so depending on type ...

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Re: Ben's Solar bike project
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2006, 02:20:12 PM »
I agree powerbuoy hub motors are the best but V.expensive.-

Best price I can find for a hub motor kit is £339.99 ($649.00).

I tried to achieve solar propulsion on a reasonable budget.
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Re: Ben's Solar bike project
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2006, 04:08:21 PM »
You could try changing the knobblies for some road tyres. That might improve it a bit.


Can the Zeta be run downhill to charge the battery? I have a long downhill to the station in the morning but an inevitable long uphill in the evening. It would be nice to have a generator braking down and then motor assisting back up.

I could aford a Zeta but not a hub.

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Re: Ben's Solar bike project
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2006, 04:36:08 PM »
fungus;




Obviously it wont last long on the small battery but it could be upgraded.


I always figured if I did an electric bike I would build an optional trailer for range extending. Like a couple T-105 Trojans. Well balanced on an axle with large wheels seems it would be easy to drag it and no extra load on the bike itself.  Hard to tell what the trade off will be on range to added load. Pedal powered travel would be mean with trailer on it.


Could always build a rapid charger to plug in on far end, too.


Cheers


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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2006, 05:08:50 PM »
Forgot to add another upgrade i thought about:


A trailer that includes a drive system to push the bike but might be tricky to be pushed on a bike.


If thats unworkable a method to put back wheel into a cradle that made trailer and bike into a 3 wheeler solidly mounted together then be less problems pushing it.


Just raw thoughts no details yet.


Cheers.


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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2006, 05:24:59 PM »
I saw a working version of what you are describing a few weeks ago.  Powered 2 wheel trailer attached to the seat stem.  Batteries and drive motor on the trailer. Guy must have been doing 20-25 mph.  I couldn't catch him to get details.  Looked pretty cool.
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Re: Ben's Solar bike project
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2006, 06:33:48 PM »
How about $175.00 ...  :-)))


check this out http://www.goldenmotor.com/


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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2006, 08:53:22 PM »
 First one of those i ever saw was in the 50's.

Gas powered,the plan's were in popular mechanics

i think.My 1st cousin almost killed himself with

that thing.60 mph with a 5hp clinton engine.

later

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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2006, 09:51:14 PM »
They were quite popular over here too, brand 'Solex'.


They're nowadays popular amongst youngster again, bit of a cult thing.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%A9loSoleX


They even hold races with them.

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Re: Ben's Solar bike project
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2006, 09:56:43 PM »
Ben

 I have the Zeta111. 200 watt motor,7.5ah battery.

It has a 6.5 mile range at 10 mph on level ground.

 I pull a small trailer all the time.Once a month

i go to town shopping [50 mile's round trip].

 The Zeta get's used on the way home to help climb the hill's.It does real well the last hill on the way home is 1/2 mile from the house,it is a

22degree grade 1/4 mile long.Without help i would never be able to climb it,with the Zeta not a problem.

 OH on the newer version the motor and battery

are contained in the same housing and hang's off of the handelbars,easy to remove when not needed.

I wouldn't take anything in the world for mine.

LOVE IT

later

Elvin


PS a slick front tire works better[not as much belt slip]

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Re: Ben's Solar bike project
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2006, 04:10:48 AM »
With the present state of electricity storage, putting an electric motor on a mountain bike is crazy. What's the use of having a bike with at least 18 gears if you haven't the legs to power it. I bet you will end up being one of these lazy buggers who are tripping down to the supermarket in invalid buggies, even though they are not invalids.
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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2006, 05:55:39 AM »
Nice bike, I'd like to find one for $40 myself :)

 Maybe some out there but I haven't been looking (yet), $40 is less than I could build one for myself.
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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2006, 08:02:55 AM »
"Whizzer" gas-powered bikes were popular in this area of the US, around WWII.

They still make a kit, 3HP, gas, $700.  Bike not included.

Maybe some of the parts would be handy for projects like these.


Road tires roll MUCH easier than mountain-bike tires.

If the drive system needs knobby tires on the front, I would still change the rear tire.

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Re: Ben's Solar bike project
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2006, 04:27:32 PM »
CG;

HOW rude!

 Having said you cute little comment. What do you drive?

Or did you not read the part about the incline?

I ride/build both types and would not be so rude to someone who is using a electric-asisted bike. It's much better than some land-bound boat.

As a matter of fact,I usually wave or slow down while they are in my lane.


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Re: Ben's Solar bike project
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2006, 04:32:45 PM »
Ben;

NICE Bike!

  Try looking out for some of the newer I energy "D" cell sized battery packs. They are now available in 12Vdc 10Ah packs that weigh 1/3 what the SLA does, price isn't too bad either.

You'll be able easily to use them down to 70% of total charge which will have them lasting much much longer then the SLA which shouldn't be used much further then 20%.

If you decide to put lights on it, go for LEDs they now a days are as bright as the normal ones and draw so much less power.


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Re: Ben's Solar bike project
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2006, 03:20:27 AM »
I do not drive anything, after doing a little bit about 40 years ago, I decided a car was not for me. As for inclines, I know all about them; in the 1800 or so miles I cycle in a year, I come across quite a few.


Putting an electric motor on a cycle to get up hills is about as much use as putting pedals on a Kawasaki as insurance against running out of fuel. The range available is not worth the dead weight of the motor and batteries.


Once the fuel cell cycles now being developed come on market we might get a bike with a range of about 150 miles (on average terrain,not just level ground). Then we will have a light weight electric scooter, which will be very useful.


I am 62 years old and live in rural England, I have just cycled over 4 miles against a 20 mile headwind to make this posting. Believe me, I have to keep an eye on the development of electric bikes, if I wish to carry on living where I do as I grow older. But listening to young men like Ben developing ways of using less energy is not what I want to hear. I am not a fanatical keep fit person, but you can't suddenly find fitness in your late fifties, you have to keep at it all your life. My generation in the UK was probably the last that came from survival of the fittest. We had very little medical drugs when I was born, and the diet and living conditions was poor up till then and for a while after. Since then the pendulum has swung completely the other way, with plenty of food and a wonder drug almost every month coming on to the market. But already we can see the the results are not entirely benefitial; obesity is encreasing at an alarming rate. Medical science will be able to keep you alive in old age in the future but it will never be able to keep you fit, and old age without fitness is a living hell. The bicycle in the finest invention invented for retaining your fitness, putting an electric motor on it for short range journeys made by young healthy people destroys this benifit.

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« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2006, 09:56:41 PM »
My grandma used to drive one of these bikes to/from work for at least 20 years.  They lived in North-Bay Ontario, Canada and I swear she rode on the shoulder of the craziest hilly roads I've ever seen.


I still remember when she described to me the gust of wind that the transport trucks would create when they zoomed by 120km/h.  She actually learned to steer away from the gust of wind to not get sucked in.


Anyway, this post brought back some memories for me, thanks.


Mb

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