UngrdLigtRod et al-motor therory-biofuel

[RogerAS]

ULR,

Rather than steal a thread here's a new branch on our little tree.

That's a good one, local Chinese/Oriental, resteraunts! Eastern food here in Arkansas is "Sommen day cook ovrin Memfiz". HA HA HA LOL UIH(until it hurts).

How much would/should a 55 gallon barrel of NEW non food grade veggie oil cost? Like rapeseed or sunflower or whatever.

I bet Sams Club has fairly cheap oil in big lots. How about a big bakery or somewhere else mass producing food that would sell some of their tanker truck load for ones home use? I shall investigate this. Wouldn't new oil be pretty water free?

I'm working on a couple catfish houses that deep fry everything and have a good lot of waste oil. One uses peanut oil, and I'm not sure about the other. They either want me to take it all or none. I can't deal with that much waste oil at one time and it would just keep coming. I only need about 50-80 gallons a year. There's more than 150 gallons at these two greasy spoons right now. I don't think either place uses frozen fish, as there are commercial catfish farms all over eastern Arkansas. I just can't see myself going into the B100 business.

I must admit I am a little concerned about running my own homebrew B100 in the Kubota. If I could buy it locally I would. I've saved Pepa's files about his efforts and looked at others, comercial and otherwise, and It seems simple enough except for the lye. There are so many meth' cookers around here that use lye somehow it is almost impossible to get (lye not meth'). Same with anhydrous ammonia if one wanted to experiment with absorbtion refrigeration? Sorry no can do.

Just 2 nights ago upon returning home my wife greeting me with the information that the diesel tank was leaking. It wasn't, but a hose was. It's absolutely amazing how thin and far less than a half gallon of diesel can go. My entire engine room floor was covered, and now is beig soaked up with about 3 bags of kitty litter. It's all fixed now but "UH UH That Smell"! ARRRGGGHHHH!!!!! I had just spent the weekend before getting that little room all cleaned up and new shelves a workbench and looking better than it has in far too long. Life should have a command Z option. :-(   -/:-\

So in theroy a four pole AC motor (squirrel cage type) with the right run caps and spun just so would work? I am a little leary of the dropout/rpm control issue. I've also considered a variable airgap PM alt, and on a fixed engine drive I don't think it would be that rough to build. Think snowmobile drive.

[jimjjnn]

Don"t forget , Donut shops use a lot of oil too.

[stephent]

Roger..

Don't forget those even closer (usually) convience stores that cook fish/chicken, etc..

They can usually ruin a 5 gallon or 2 of veggie oil a week too---even though I know they use it until it's black or at least a dark brown.

And lye around here (50 miles away from y'all) is still right on the store shelves.

But as you say, the meth cookers have just about ruined it for several things us normal people can't get in any quantity anymore.

Good thing it don't take much lye to do the job.

It's becoming a pity that the normal folks have to pay the price for a few miscreants law breaking activities and the only thing the (supposedly) law makers can seem to do is legislate against law abiding folks access to certain stuff. Cuz the end result is us not having access to it and not slowing down the cookers much.

Your wind picking up a bit up there recently? Has been here--lost one set of (fan) blades to a 45 mph breeze a week ago on the little yard lighting nicad charging stepper--one set of wood blades 2 weeks ago on the larger DC motor to a 44-50 mph breeze.

The bigger one seems to be good and big enough to maybe make me do a furling system on it and save it a bit of wear n tear. 40-50 watts peak output or so.

And yeah on the parallel caps on the squirel cage motor--they work ok in a rather narrow range of rpm--really close on a 1725/1750 rpm motor to your Diesel's rpm range..

1800 + a bit rpm should work well.

[pepa]

hi Rodger. you should see how far five gal of vegy oil, pumped on the concrete floor of a shed, will go even with five dogs trying to keep up with the pump by lapping it up. the hose slipped out of a barrel i was transfering the strained oil to when i left it for just a few minutes. in your cast it would be best to find one of the smaller suppliers of your used oil and ask if they will put the oil back in continers after it cools and save the oil for you without dumping in outside collection container. if you let it set for a short time, you can draw off the clean oil amd it will be almost water free because there is no way for the water to enter the container after the led is in place. the heat from the cooking process will have eleninated any water that was introduced to the oil and only using the top part of the contents of each bucket will give you a good clean start on your bio. i have found that a small plastic marine surmerible sump pump does a great job of transfuring used vegy oil and held in your hand to guide the pickup vents, it will take the good oil out without disturbing the water and fats in the bottom of the container. you loose to much by trying to pour the good oil off the top without it mixing together. did you receive the last email i sent you? hope this helps, pepa.

[TAH]

The five gallon jugs the oil comes in crack and start to leak after a while I found. The wvo leaking onto limestone gravel makes something almost like asphalt though. I soaked up leaking oil with sawdust and then use it in the wood boiler. Just a little at a time or bad things happen.

The company that runs the grease traps around here will sell filtered oil that is 99% water free for .95 a gallon.

[thefinis]

Just wondering what do you do with all the left over oil mix after draining off the top part? Can you use it in the unit you have for open flame heat production?

[pepa]

hi Finis, yes, i use the best part for processing into diesel and strain the rest twice and keep seperate to burn in my boiler. the solids go into my compost pile to make fertilizer for the garden. i will need need more oil for the burner than the diesel. pepa.

[JW]

 I want you "all" too know, that I have re-occuring nightmares about this sort of thing happening to me. Make a posting/comment, then withdraw from the computer for a couple of days(for un-known reasons ovcoarse), then return and stumble across a story like this. eeeegad... Sometimes we post with a general think-tank attitude, then say to ourselves, whoops. I just want to stress, that i believe this board has a great bunch of folks, the collegic spirit is strong here. This is a fun place.

 If im not mistaken Roger, I remember you, regreting, going after a newbe, like an elephant stampeeed, and stateing(sp?) that you had some dues to pay. Please, someone correct my circular logic, i can't help myself.

 But seriously though, ULR should have responded by now, if you were on to something. Personally I hate these type of postings, went through this myself with Troy awhile back(years ago). The best thing about this forum, is the easy going curious attidude here...

JW