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Titantornado

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Realizing I'm on track
« on: November 24, 2006, 12:42:53 AM »
Though my wind turbine's construction is stalled while I continue to acquire solar panels locally for a great price, with whatever money I can pull together, it's given me time to run calculations and work on blade design. (free to do that stuff!)


Beyond thanking those who have answered my (perhaps sometimes stupid) questions along the way, there was some other valuable information I was able to gain here.  One thing that I was never certain of was if I had my alternator matched correctly to the rotor diameter.  To tell you the truth, I pretty much took a shot in the dark at it. When first coming into this build, I found the math quite intimidating, some I still don't have a total handle on.


Fortunately, I just recently found the Alternator_windturbine_outuput_prediction.xls file in Windstuff Ed's files.  That, combined with Warlock Engineering's Blade Calculator, I was able to do a good comparison of the blades power against alternator power.  To my amazement, I am extremely close to a dead match.  The only part thats got me worried, (should I be worried?) was the wattage losses (heat) at higher speeds.  I thought my two-in-hand 14ga. coils would keep the heat down on my 14ft. machine, but the calculator says, for example, at 19.9 mph, I got 1090 watts of loss. Above that, the numbers really get frightening, like 2720 watts of loss at 25.1 mph!  Sounds like a lot of heat to disipate to me.


In delta, the losses are much, much lower, but if I do that, I imagine my cut-in speed will go up quite a bit. I'd consider building a star/delta switch, but worry about it being just one more component to go wrong.  I think I'll just furl a bit early, and not get greedy.


Oh, one last note.  Probably obvious to most folks here, maybe not to everyone though, is the "Wind speed" column should be noted as "wind speed above cut-in speed."

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Re: Realizing I'm on track
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2006, 06:06:49 PM »
how do you figure that you are going to have 1090 Watts loss?

what size blades are you talking ?
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Re: Realizing I'm on track
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2006, 06:33:43 PM »
According to the program, with the following figures inserted:


Stator Ohms---------0.47  (star)

Charging Volts-------26.00  (perhaps I should plug in 27.6)

Area of Turbine------154.00  (14 ft diameter)

Blade efficiency------0.38

Amps----------------48.15 (this number was derived by trying to match windspeed from Warlock's calculator)


That will show 1089.7 Watt losses

« Last Edit: November 23, 2006, 06:33:43 PM by Titantornado »

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Re: Realizing I'm on track
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2006, 09:46:33 AM »
26volts X 48amps = 1250 watts generated power

if you have 1090 watts loss

then you will only have

160 watts going to the batteries

« Last Edit: November 24, 2006, 09:46:33 AM by wooferhound »

Titantornado

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Re: Realizing I'm on track
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2006, 10:09:21 AM »
Yes and no Wooferhound.  Yes, you're right 1250 to the batteries, and no, an additional 1090 in losses due to the resistance at that amp rate, with a total of 2340, making the alternator 53% efficient at that speed.


If you got Microsoft Excel on your computer, it's an interesting program to play with.

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Re: Realizing I'm on track
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2006, 01:48:25 PM »
"Blade efficiency------0.38"


You may find that your blades are not quite that efficent.  Though it is hard for me to say, because I have not seen your blades or know anything about them yet.  38% efficency for a set of blades is fairly high, not imposible but high.  I would guess they will be closer to 20%-30%.

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Re: Realizing I'm on track
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2006, 08:15:47 PM »
Titan,


I just posted on your previous diary, but it seems you've already sorted things out.  Great!


Paradigm,

Have you ever taken the numbers from some commercial windmill manufacturers and back-calculated the efficiency figures?  The results are very surprising.

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