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Bruce S

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« on: April 22, 2008, 03:00:02 PM »
This is a not so small story about poof that no good deed goes unnoticed or unpunsihed.


Last year, I helped several of my neighbors install the infamous HF solar panel sets.

They are of course not the best in the world but do come with just enough "stuff" to get people to see quickly how easily it is to start using Solar.

And with a Ghurd kit added they can be very useful.


Many of my neighbors have seen my Panels approved by the city, (St.Louis) up here.

The light is back where the panels normally pass into the house.





And many asked how they were how well they worked and such. After the power outage from a late ice storm, most of them asked me to help them with some as well.

I also explained that the controller wasn't the best and that I had some "kits" that a friend had designed which was a much better choice to keep the batteries from being wasted.

Everyone I helped had an old car battery so we used those to prove that this stuff worked. Most of them liked them and it was pretty cool to see little lights on when the power went off each time :-)


One of our neighbors, 5 houses to the west of me, was one of those families. They had a near perfect setup. Flat roof, solid sun clearance all winter & summer. Sooo off we went, got the panels, got the batteries, installed the panels using plastic 2x4s and the cute kit that comes with it. They were happy as clams!!  Really got into having a little 12V camper TV and some LEDs and CFL bulbs all setup and ready for when or if the power went out again.Plus they noticed that the kiddies liked the whole idea too.


Worked very well with only minor looking after...... then they decided to move,:-( but wanted the new owners to have the panels and install better ones at new place.


New people moved in, we and other neighbors were out front to say hi and all.

WELL, the couple are nice, buuuuut the lady is NOT anything about solar anything other than suntanning.

They asked if anyone knew someone who would get up on the roof and take those nasty ugly things down . Otherwise they were going to rip them out and throw them in the trash.

I said I'd help and just get them out of their way. /:-)

Took me all of a couple hours.


NOW !! I am the proud owner of a complete set of HF Panels setup , the complete set. FREE!! okay labor not included.


Ahh but the story doesn't stop there.


I have a neighbor "lady" that seems to think that anything out of the norm is wrong and fights me all the way.


Fights me on 'mills, fought me on the first set of panels ..every blooming thing she can think of....including new privacy fence:-(

So, with spring here,  and rain laying off for a day or two.. I get out the new panels and put them up.

Nice neighbor lady called city :-( said they "looked" dangerous. ?


Well I get a nasty letter from the city about what a horrible and dangerous thing I have done !@%^!


The city inspector ( I now know him by sight and first name, [:-> ) comes out to the house on a weekend to see that I was in fact obeying the law.

He'd asked me to just take them down until the new Privacy fence was up.


I said okay cool no problem, asked him if he'd help me unbolt them from anchors 24inches in the ground.

He (the city inspector) laughed and said sure no problem.


The "nice" neighbor lady is walking by and starts nagging about those ugly dangerous panels.


I told her to go look in the mirror and that at least I CARE about the environment!!


The city guy couldn't hold the panel ,laughing too hard, he dropped the panel!! as luck would have it,-->> he dropped it on and broke the bag of fresh manure (:-x) I had for the roses. Saved the panel, ran Connor < the dog> off (:->.

The lady threatened to call the city again. The guy piped up and said he WAS the city guy and if she keeps nagging anymore about unfounded complaints and he'd cite her :-)

Asked me again to wait til fence was finished, I said don't sue me over falling and it's a deal.


What a town!!

I saw she was putting up a Fence, I walked over and asked if they had a permit? NOPE I , being a computer person, complained online :-)

Then went and had another beer :-) helped City guy, clean up manure and open another beer. He's really interested in getting more city people into stuff like this, but he's also a stickler about saftey.


Here now is the 2 winter old panels on the west (left and their new friends on the right)





They are ALL currently on a TEMP place, so there's squat she can say :-)


What you cannot see is how I connected everything. I use a water resistant outside box approved by the city for mains power. I merged the 3 new units into a box and have them going off the old HF panel , commonly called the screamer by me, due to it's little screaming it does when over voltaging. Along with yet another ( MY LAST!! ) Ghurd dump controller.





But here is the room and stuff where to "POWER" comes into. The night lights have cute little 120Vac 1 watt light bulbs in them.


Found the bulbs at Walgreens 2 for 3.99. They are candelabra size and are perfect for bed size light.

 I did a small test with the new digital controller and a NiCd batt pack wired for 12Vdc and equaling  16Ahr   and a 100watt invertor ( 12Vdc plug in) and turned on one of the lights with a LED light and then a cute small CFL. The pack read 12.5 and stayed that way until I turned off the little light the next morning.


Just goes to show::: Good deeds do come back to you:-O


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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2008, 12:04:08 PM »
I know this is more of a rant and a very good diary entry because most people don't start a project because of a possible offending dumb a.. . I think if  it were to loose power for a long period and just die ;problem solved .That won't happen and it will keep the house cold enough to keep that parisite alive . Good luck with your  on going project. Go some garlic in the back yard and  see if it retreats to the day bed .
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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2008, 01:12:10 PM »
"I know this is more of a rant and a very good diary entry because most people don't start a project because of a possible offending dumb a.. ."


I thank the Lord each time I see one of these post about some neighbor being offended that I live in the boonies. If some one is offended by anything I put up then they need to turn their binoculars in another direction.  :p


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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2008, 01:25:07 PM »
Some people would demand as of right a larger government hand-out to buy bigger binoculars so as to not miss any of the stuff that might offend them.


And, no, I wasn't thinking of any of the 3-letter gov'mit agencies!


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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2008, 01:34:58 PM »
Possibly I need to put up a website with a  password protected web cam so those who cannot qualify for bigger binoculars can use my tax money to pay me to be offended. :>)


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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2008, 02:45:30 PM »
Kewl!  And then feed back their hot air and you have overunity and distributed exploding busybodies and tax-free energy!  Just don't tell GHurd or he'll be getting in on the deal, possibly with a negative dump load scheme.  B^>

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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2008, 02:52:12 PM »
Tecker;

Actually didn't start out as a rant. I have always liked helping out, working on computers and stuff that is never ever "really fixed" gets old .

So helping out gives a sence of completion. This time it came back in the form of free stuff. Not just free stuff but "good free stuff" which is even rarer.


 The whole scene that happened to go on was so sureal that we just could not stop laughing , even during the heart skip when he dropped the panel, then seeing the dog run off was even worse. Then the lady, wow is she a pistol.


Cheers

Wild garlic works, a 5L can of cold Heineken works even better :-)


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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2008, 02:56:07 PM »
Tritium;

 I'm with you on this one. There was someone on here who belonged to poop (People Offended by Offensive People) I think I'm going to see if there's any opening in that group :-).


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« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2008, 03:02:08 PM »
Damon

 I live so far out in the boonies that if you can see me even with binoculars,you are on my land.

 I reserve the right to shoot first and ask questions later.

 My only neighbor is 1/2 mile away and wants some solar to.Like me she lost a freezer full of groceries in the last Hurricane [RITA].

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« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2008, 03:13:26 PM »
That would be one dump load circuitry I'll stay way from.

I'm just not into negative dumps.

Ghurd is already a dozen-aire so he doesn't need any extra


Those binocolors >> I think if we find the right candidate we could get together a blue ribbon panel to do a fact finding study to get to the bottom of the issue.


Cheers

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« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2008, 03:59:13 PM »
Great work Bruce

 I"ve got a crabby neighbor lady.Threatens me with other things but seems to like watching the turbine spin.She hides behind the trees though. :)


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« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2008, 04:40:44 PM »
We all need to Join P.O.O.P.

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« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2008, 06:12:29 PM »
I made a 'negative dump load controller', but it has problems.

Solar panels over charge the batteries every night.

Takes most of a sunny day to get the voltage back down!


Gotta run...

Gonna go count both my dollars.

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« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2008, 12:46:13 AM »
Congratulations on the panels, you now have a 90 Watt powerhouse going.  If prices keep going like they are for energy, your new neighbor will be asking you for those back.  Being also in an urban environment, I worry about such issues too.  I am lucky in having a flat roof so my panels are not that noticeable right now.  Rich
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« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2008, 02:05:34 AM »
Bruce S,


Your article is excellent and the sort that I like to read on this website. It just shows what an uphill battle it is to convince the less well informed what renewable energy is all about.


You well deserve the panels that the Madam in question seems to think as ghastly.


You seem to have a good 'friend' in the 'city' licensing and inspection department. It would be worth your while to keep this gentleman as a persona grata friend and perhaps invite him and his Mrs around for a BBQ if you have such things. He has friends too, and a good word spoken about you to others is a a future treasure that may be of great value to you and others.


Well done.


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« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2008, 03:14:55 AM »
Good read Bruce.


I used to live next to a cow like that, ye gods she would complain about everything!  Can't you get in there one night and soap the stairs?


Pleased to see that you are on the right side of the city though (I suspect that's the council this side of the pond), must make your struggles all the more satifying.


(By the way, the bit about the stairs was a JOKE, ok?).


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« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2008, 05:32:33 AM »
Takeing a negative dump sounds pain full


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« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2008, 06:48:22 AM »
Messy...  And you have to visit hospital A&E (the emergency room) beforehand for the pre-briefing (de-briefing is important later).
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« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2008, 09:44:49 AM »
Woof

Just think of the methane :-) then there would be REAL global warming...Shade of Blazing Saddles come to mind :-)

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« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2008, 09:46:24 AM »
Those pesky batteries!! like teenagers the more you put into them more you got out

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« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2008, 09:59:41 AM »
@vatman et al;

   Thanks for the words. I suspect there's one in about every area, except for the boonies :-)


@rich

 It is nice, I'm getting worried about behind the panels, the radiant heat behind them from the brick was toasty, so I rigged up a small fan made from an old VCP ( video cassette player). Seems those little buggers can work off voltages down to 1Vdc. I grabbed an old (dog chewed up) lawn light PV and attached ( hot glued) a small fan blade to the motor. Once the sun hits the little panel it starts right up blowing.

Off to the right is my little composter and its working great guns so I know its getting hot! back there.

I've ordered a little kit that allows me to read multiple temps go I can keep an eye out on the back side. I also have a watts up meter and will begin logging this stuff once its gathered.


Once I catch up with Farmer of Volvos, I'll get a tracker system. Redrok doesn't seem to be answering emails these days though.


Thanks for the kind words ALL;

 More pics of NiCd batt packs once I get them rewired.


Cheers

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« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2008, 10:16:52 AM »
This this a bit long I'm trying to stay NOT locked out :->


@David HK;

 Nice to hear from you.

He wasn't originally a friend, they've just seen me so many times from this "lady" he's gotten to know me. All the local union boys know me from years pasy when I belonged to the local IBEW


When I passed the original wires through the house ( where the light is above the awning) I had to get another permit and prove again that I sorta knew what I was doing.


We have BBQs :-), I have 4 grills, two charcoal, one propane and one rigged for (burning shhh!! don't tell) Hydrogen!! or methane depending on regulator :-)

So when I fire these things up, the whole neighborhood starts coming around.

The 5 Liter Heinys are for my yet unknown to the city  small VAWT :-)


I have a kit from Windstuff -ed and its a great teahcing aide, now I'm going to help it grow into a full fledged AA charger.


Thanks for the kid words.


@FUNGUS

No slam ment on your age !! you are a diamond in the ruff when it comes to teenagers getting involved..


I'll try and make sure the next diary is a true diary that hopefully stays on track [;-/


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« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2008, 10:49:27 AM »
"@FUNGUS

No slam ment on your age !! you are a diamond in the ruff when it comes to teenagers getting involved.."

Did I even comment ? :)

All the neighbours around here are fine with my stuff, or if they aren't they havent said anything .. you just must be unlucky to have bad neighbours .. :(

How do you make the hydrogen?
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« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2008, 09:53:30 PM »


 I live so far out in the boonies that if you can see me even with binoculars,you are on my land.

 I reserve the right to shoot first and ask questions later.

 My only neighbor is 1/2 mile away


1/2 a mile?  Pfft!  Smallholder! ;-)


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« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2008, 09:59:54 PM »


It is nice, I'm getting worried about behind the panels, the radiant heat behind them from the brick was toasty, so I rigged up a small fan made from an old VCP



Don't worry about the heat, they'll be fine.  I assume these are about a 15W amorphous panel?  If so, these ones of mine have coped with plenty of 40C days at Funkytown:



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« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2008, 12:22:49 AM »
 BTH

 Yep__smallholders both__But

Surrounded by 50,000 acres of timber land.

 Ok except that to get up into good wind,

I have to have a 125 ft. tower.YIKE'S

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« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2008, 12:35:15 PM »
hi Bruce, very good post, to bad about your neighbor. my meighbors love my wind projects and stop by to talk about them all the time. two different neighbors keep my lawn cut and even weed the flower beds and will not take pay for their work, good folks. pepa.
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« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2008, 06:46:41 AM »
Fungus;

 No you didn't post or comment, but since I made a cute little remarks about teenagers.>>>

Send me an email about the H2. I can get into deep discussions about it here, but it's bad mojo to get on the bad side of Admin.

I've got my notes and will them back together and let you know off line.


Admin:

Sorry I let the hydrogen out of the bag....

I'll take this off line to answer.

Bruce S

 

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« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2008, 06:50:54 AM »
BTH;

  Those panels look just like the HF panels :-)!

My big worry is the back side until I can get them back up. The house is real brick, not just fake stuff. once the sun get going it'll bake like an oven. Main rason for putting the composter next to it :-)

Nice trailer ;->


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« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2008, 06:55:44 AM »
Pepa;

 I've been to your house :-), if it weren't for work and a mortgage, I'd be moving in with y'all!!

Heck we'd move in the horse barn!!

imagine how much of the oil we could get converted to bio-D?

and those mills you're working on? we could crank out a couple a year:-)

Cheers

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