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I read the news today, oh boy!
« on: May 03, 2008, 08:23:13 PM »
http://ask.slashdot.org/askslashdot/08/05/02/1539221.shtml


Hmm, I think we've seen that "stick it to the man, I know best and it's MY wiring and don't try to blind me with Amps and Volts" viewpoint elsewhere!  B^>


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Re: I read the news today, oh boy!
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2008, 02:24:30 PM »
(To be clear, the OP was fairly sane, but some of the follow-ups!)
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Re: I read the news today, oh boy!
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2008, 04:27:51 PM »
But I STILL don't know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall!!!
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Re: I read the news today, oh boy!
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2008, 06:39:04 PM »
How many holes dose it take to fill Albert Hall  all of them : )


Do some of throes posters give you the idea  they would strangle them selves tying there own boots ?


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Re: I read the news today, oh boy!
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2008, 07:07:50 PM »
I always find it funny when people think they are going to backfeed the grid with a small hobbiest project
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Re: I read the news today, oh boy!
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2008, 08:39:19 PM »
I read that "news" item too.


The idea that you can have a small-hobbyist-grid-tied-installation seems to me to be a flawed concept. Maybe, a hobbyist solar ultra-low pressure hot water system or a hobbyist micro solar project like the ones posted here and the one I'm going to show in a posting soon ;-) Obviously there are two things at odds here, the idea of connecting into the grid and the amount of electricity required to make it meaningful. A non-trivial exercise if ever I saw one.. In leet speak--ROTFLMAO


I have been interested in the concept of micro-generation for a little while now and have only just gotten some gear and some time (1 1/2 days to wire up a Ghurd controller!) to make one. I've been looking at all of the different types of batteries to power it. And added to that been following some of the articles on homepower magazine through my interest in NiFe batteries. I found the articles of micro generation of special interest and really inspiring. The main lot seem to have been written in the 80's and early 90's (like the guy with the wheel barrowed solar powered system, car battery, light and stereo). Then fast forward a decade or so, in the recent issues there are a lot of huge McMansion style houses with installs like the guy who has an upteen gigawatt grid tied installation with 2000Ah battery backup on the off_chance the grid goes down, it is essentially a mega huge UPS. I don't get how that can be a reasonable reaction to an energy crisis or a desire to be self supporting energy-wise.

Don't get me wrong, it's a fantastic, pioneering, magazine; but like a prominent person here says, "a joule saved is a joule made".


I suppose my point is that energy is a valuable resource, whether if someone is making it by the bucket-load or the cup-load. I understand that users may desire to be producing electricity with grid tied solar (usually) installations. And by doing this they personally off-setting a carbon footprint produced by one's energy generator, usually that produced by coal or other climate changing resource. I am trying to work out my reason for this rant. I suppose my question is this. Using energy efficient methods how much electricity does a person need to live well (enough to productive and happy)?

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Re: I read the news today, oh boy!
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2008, 02:14:05 AM »
They'd strangle themselves and several innocent bystanders too...


They can't win the Darwin Award by killing other people though pig-headed stupidity!  %-<


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Re: I read the news today, oh boy!
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2008, 02:18:37 AM »
Hey, I'd like to feed a trickle back in, especially at night from waste heat, but for people to assume that all the rules and regs and specifications ONLY exist as part of some great big conspiracy to stop them getting/selling cheap power or whatever is laughable or worse IMHO.


I have reasonable electronics skills, but I can tell you I'm impressed by what a grid-tie inverter achieves and the safety mechanisms in place.


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Re: I read the news today, oh boy!
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2008, 02:26:11 AM »
Don't know in answer to your last point, but probably a lot less than many realise.


My home (and office at home) are down from 33kWh/day to ~5.5kWh/day consumption, and we're generating a large chunk of that from solar PV, so our net consumption year-round will be about 4kWh.


The Indian government has a target to get 1kWh/day of electricity to all rural/village homes, so even my reduced consumption is beyond many aspirations in one of the biggest nations on earth.


(And let's not talk about my mains natural gas use... %-> )


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Re: I read the news today, oh boy!
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2008, 08:35:19 AM »
Well you feed more than a trickle I always follow your projects with great interest


Usually the guys I meet that want to hook up a gorrilla grid feed and don't care about saftey haven't even powered anything in there home to understand consersation and how hard the power is to come by

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Re: I read the news today, oh boy!
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2008, 02:55:52 PM »
It's been a while since anyone came down on me for my 2cents, so for the heck of it, and to aid my boredom deficit... (LOL)...

Grid-Tie inverters are obviously made with the protection of line workers in mind. Most local codes even require a licensed electrician to install the thing, and/or pass inspection with the electric provider. Even though from what I've seen, most members of this site know enough, or will inquire to get help with installation. HOWEVER, as hard as it is to get people started with RE, wouldn't it make sense to have low-end (maybe even as low as 0.1kw/h) grid-tie inverters just to get people to start putting back into the system? If people are told it takes $1000 to get started with RE, or put power BACK into the grid, a lot of people won't...period! Make some little dinky system to produce 50w, put it back into the grid, and sell it for $200-300, and you'll get more folks to start doing it! I know one thing that will be said is: you wouldn't even notice a $5/month reduction in your electric bill. BUT, from what I've seen, a lot more people would get started with something like this than even a currently low-end system of $2000-3000.


Fire away!

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Re: I read the news today, oh boy!
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2008, 03:01:09 PM »
In coming!


My old-ass eyes can't focus on that many lines in a single paragraph.

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Re: I read the news today, oh boy!
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2008, 03:03:31 PM »
(you asked)
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Re: I read the news today, oh boy!
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2008, 03:11:20 PM »
LMAO, thanks Ghurd! I do have a tendency to do that!
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Re: I read the news today, oh boy!
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2008, 01:45:30 AM »
The cheapest sensible fully-legal grid-tie inverter that I can find for the UK is the Mastervolt Soladin 600, probably available for £500/$1000.


The more significant issue these days is that to wire it up you must now use a 'Part P' electrician which is likely to cost a fair old chunk.


Note that I'm not against forcing wiring to be done right, for example our local MP's daughter was killed by dodgy wiring in her kitchen, but getting a tradesman to actually turn up at all is a major effort.


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