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RogerAS

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Use your seatbeat, please.
« on: September 02, 2008, 04:28:41 PM »
Hey,


I'm in a really messed up emotional state right now, and of all the forums I visit I choose to share this here. If I become a little confused on typing, or spelling, I think the following may well excuse it.


I went out to get some gas for my pickup, a gallon of distilled water to top off my batteries, and some smokes. That's about a 12 mile trip one way on a narrow state two lane highway. Google earth Arkansas Highway 5 east of Mountain View, Arkansas and look for A seeping curve just east of Bob Davis Mountain Road.


The very outskirts of Gustav are brushing up against us here today in north central Arkansas, and it is windy and wet.


Less than 200 yards from where I leave the pavement behind and start on my dirt road towards home I came upon a wreck. A fairly late model Explorer had just left the road, flipped and came bask to rest where 4 wheels should be. One on each side was missing, opposite corners. I was the first person there.


A found a middle age overweight woman face down next to a large post oak, an old woman was wedged between the drivers front seat and the back seat, also overweight. There was a younger woman half hanging out of the passenger side window which was long gone. Only one was breathing, the old woman.


I first checked on the woman face down. Having a little CPR training I knew she needed to be face up with a clear airway in order to get air into her lungs. I held her head as steady as I could and shoulder/knee rolled her onto her back. I wish I hadn't.


I then went to the younger woman and she was now breathing very shallow and very fast. I helped her get into a more normal sitting position back inside the car and she screamed in agony, which told me was very much alive. I took that as a good sign after what I had just seen.


The old woman was yelling to get her out get her out and also obviously hurt badly. She however wasn't bleeding like a cut pig.


About that time 2 ADT security trucks rolled to a stop and then a local volunteer fire fighter showed up. I never dialed 911 so I don't really know if he just happened along or one of the ADT guys did. I helped the EMT's extract and load the survivors and talked to the State Trooper that eventually showed up. It was over an hour later before I gave my statement and headed home. As I was walking back to my truck one of our county deputies came up and told me quietly, "Thanks for the help, you did all you could. Call me if you need to talk about this." and handed me his card. That made me feel a little better.


None of these women were wearing a seat belt. The worst that could have happened to any of them had they been wearing them would have been a couple broken bones. I'm still not so sure the younger woman will live. She was still having a lot of trouble breathing that may have indicated internal bleeding.


Wear those seat belts. It ain't that hard to do. I don't really need to come upon another fatal accident that is the direct result of ignorance. Stupid, no excuses, ignorance causing everyone you know, and some you don't, a great deal of grief. Wear 'em people. They work. What's the problem?

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Re: Use your seatbeat, please.
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2008, 11:01:41 AM »
Roger;

  Keep talking spill the entire thing here or to my private email or call ME I'll send you my private 800# if you NEED IT!!


AND keep telling this to eveyone!!!

JUST don't hold in it, !!!


It is unfortunately true what they say,

and Thanks for sharing !!!


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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2008, 12:52:41 PM »
Bruce,


I am a little afraid to expound further about my experience as it could become quite graphic, and I really don't want to relive it any more than I have to. It will just take some time to get the vision of that scene out of my head.


I have seen people die before. An old man from a heart attack. My mom from conjestive heart failure, but this was violent and messy.


I just wanted to get across how simple it is to click that damned belt and save your life! I do not understand why people watch NASCAR with all their safety equipment and still drive around meeting oncoming traffic without belting up. The ignorance baffles me. The airbags didn't deploy because the SUV never touched its nose to the ground. They wouldn't have helped anyway. The woman died from ejection and crushing.


I threw away my jeans I was wearing, as well as the T-Shirt. The whole affair was awful. I don't know how our young men and women can go off to war and be expected to come back half way normal. I understand that IED's make what I just saw look mild.


I'm a mixed up mess of sorrow, rage, and sixteen other emotions right now, and if I can eat a little I'm going to take a flexiril a try to snooze. My wife will be home from work soon and I will take comfort from her strength.


Thanks for the concern Bruce, but I'm just a little shocked right now. I'll be ok in a few days, but this family just began a sentence in hell.


With Gustav bearing down on us my flakey satellite ISP may be off and on for the next couple days. I may not be able to read or respond to further postings. I had to wait until between passing rain bands to get this out.

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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2008, 01:34:35 PM »
I was cut off on the highway last year, by an idiot who couldn't take the time to stop at a stop sign.  I was driving a VW Golf, he was in a Yukon.  I was extremely lucky to have clipped only the back corner, instead of his side.  Worse, he could have struck the side of my car.


I got my son out of the back seat in my own arms, and my wife was helped to the ambulance with cuts on her face.


If I had passed through the intersection only one tenth of a second sooner, I would have been attending a funeral.


We were all wearing seatbelts - the car had no airbags.  The impact, even as a glancing blow, made the vehicle a write-off.  There were significant deformations to the shoulder-belt attachment fittings and vertical pillars, indicating many times the force of gravity in the impact.


Seatbelts are not an inconvenience.  Seatbelts are not the "guvvermint makin' ya do stuff".  I cannot comprehend the idiots who refuse to wear them.


Of course, I also cannot understand idiots who cannot STOP when the sign says STOP.


In the accident aftermath, many very helpful people stopped to help us.  They called 911, found my glasses, and brought us blankets as we waited for the ambulances to arrive.  They were all anonymous, and I wish I could thank every one of them, in person, but when I went to the hospital with my wife, I never saw any of them again.

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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2008, 03:36:03 PM »
Sorry to hear of such a disturbing experience Roger.


I'm not sure of the U.S law, but here in the U.K, front and rear seatbelts are compulsory by law, and it has been rigidly adhered to, saving many lives.


Not a  real help to you, sorry

But my thoughts are trying to help, if that makes sense.


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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2008, 04:45:56 PM »
 It's great that we have people like you who will help. Most people cant handle the blood not even to speak of the things and sounds you didn't speak of. Paramedics have a hard job! Hopefully there are survivors, and what you did may have been why. Thanks for helping them. calm down and let it digest. You never know when these things are going to happen but boy is it ever heart pounder when it does. You won't have to feel bad that you didn't try. Start feeling good that you did try.
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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2008, 07:44:04 PM »
Roger,

It sounds like you did the best you could, and gave her hope where there was none before you arrived,I deal with this type of calls on a regular basis (Its never easy brother),I am an EMT/Firefighter for our county.. Critical Incident Stress Debriefing (CISD) is what will help you out,, remember that It's ok to not be ok right now (to coin a phrase)... Call the guy that gave you the number at the scene... ask him if he can manage CISD or knows someone that can.... don't let it build up on you..


TC and god bless

and Thanks for your help at their time of needs.... good show brother!!!

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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2008, 12:19:55 AM »
Same in Australia, its the law, you must wear a seat belt. A few people whine about it, but a lot of lives are saved by it.


I agree, Roger you have helped where so many people these days will look the other way. This makes you a better person than most. Dealing with the grief is difficult, but its part of the process of becoming a better human.


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« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2008, 05:16:41 AM »
Hi Roger, sorry you had to go through that horrifying experience.


I'm with you on wearing your seatbelt. It saves lives...period.


My car won't move an inch until I have it on.


I've heard the stupidest excuses from people to not wear them.


But far the worst I've seen in my country, was a white T-Shirt with a black stripe across your chest to simulate you were wearing it. It was supposed to confuse the police to avoid a ticket. Some people are so dumb to say the least...and have no care for life.


Good to know we have people like you!


Good Luck,

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« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2008, 05:18:59 AM »
I'd be calling that Deputy to mingle a bit with people who've 'been there and done that' when it comes to such staggering incidents, if for anything just to praise them for offering their support to you, and compliment their temperament at choosing to be a first-responder...


Last winter I got to watch a SUV roll and then twirl on its nose like a top after doing a pin-ball bounce maneuver between jersey barrier and plow ridge, all the while shedding various parts, window glass and a huge cloud of rust & dust, ejecting every item loose in it's interior. I was first to stop and was expecting the worst as I ran to the vehicle when the driver popped out looking like he'd merely had sex on the bus on the way to work (a common appearance snipe here in Minnesota) so remember it's not only wearing seat belts but having them snugged tight enough you won't slip out of them...

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« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2008, 06:17:20 AM »
Sorry to hear about that Roger, it's never a nice thing to have to do but I'm sure you coped admirably (even though it may not feel like it) and did what was required.  That's all anyone can ask of you.  Believe it or not, some people would not even have stopped.


I'm always at a loss as to why people won't wear the belts too.  I know of someone who fastens the buckle, and then sits on top of the belt!  He only fastens it because his car has a bleeper warning and this would annoy him otherwise.  


I've been to Greece a few times and it's not the law there that you have to wear them (as Ben mentioned, it is here in the UK and has been for a long while).  Taxi drivers can sometimes take it as an insult if you buckle up in their cars, they think you are questioning their prowess.


Take care.


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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2008, 07:07:02 AM »
vfarrell;

   Thanks for putting the correct terminolgy to the services available out there. I'm not an EMT or anything close, other than I used to test & calibrate the defib units around the Missouri country side.

I have been trained for this type of "stuff" since high school when going to Civil Air Patrol classes & then Army, and you are 100% correct it's doesn't get any eaiser, ever. IF it does, it's time to seek professional help.


RogerAS:

I meant it, drop me an email and I'll send you my private 800#.

I have a whole family that has gone through these types and our get together's usually end up "talking" our experiences to each other. It is indeed helpful, and the graphics get well,,,, graphic to say the least.


If you're anywhere close to Texarkana, let me know and I can have family come for a short visit if needed, the eye of Gustav was staring at them when I called on Tuesday.  


It has helped both of our 2 of 3 sons to get it out there.


MY hat is off to you and your wife, who now, must also bare this knowledge.

Sincerely

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« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2008, 08:02:40 AM »
seat belt use is mandatory here in Canada.

it's a $120.oo ticket and two or three demerit points.

i always wear them,...really!

 except for just that one time last summer,


         WHEN I GOT NABBED !

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« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2008, 12:06:10 PM »
OK,


I called the deputy and we had a nice long talk. I feel better today.


The younger woman that was hurt the worst was med-flighted down to Little Rock and is now in UAMS (University of Arkansas Medical School) ICU. I can't get much more info than that. The older lady is in a local hospital.


I realize there was very little I could do. I don't even carry a basic first aid kit, which is gonna change soon.


One of the really sad things about all this is there were DOZENS of cars that went by and only the ADT guys stopped! This country has some real compassion issues. I could have used a little help getting the fatality turned on to her back. I deal with anger better than sorrow, so I've transfered my emotions on to those unwilling to stop. I'll get past being mad much quicker than if I dwell on the sorrow of loss.


We have a "Good Samaritan" law here whereby a passerby attempting to provide aid is not liable. How can people not stop and try to help? It seems cowardly to me. Sure it's a tough situation to deal with, but wouldn't you want someone to help you or yours were the situation reversed? I guess I don't understand. The recent actions of the folks in NY city, lifting a buss off of a woman comes to mind. Is NY city now more compassionate than rural Arkansas? Good grief.


I want to thank each of you for the words of encouragement. I knew posting this here was a good idea.

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« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2008, 01:28:41 PM »
You may want to compose a letter of recognition to ADT headquarters about their two (even nameless) employees who presented themselves to those who could not help themselves and lent aide to you while you were nearly overwhelmed... Who knows what a good word (in print) could do for their future. Oh ya, and maybe note the sight of them stopped there to the dozens of vehicles that drove by was the best advertising they could hope for and encourage Corporate to recognize them for their actions...


Anyhow - here's another Atta-boy for you from my Missus, good show Rodger!!

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« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2008, 10:17:50 AM »
Roger's advice is very good.  Modern occupant-protection systems are amazing, but only if they are allowed to work as designed.  


In 2003 I was driving my 1/2-ton Dodge Ram pickup when an oncoming 18-wheeler angled into my lane.  I hit him head-on at about 30 MPH.  My truck was demolished, the front suspension snapped off and went bouncing down the road, the only thing that wasn't bent was the rear tailgate.  I was wearing my belt and harness, and the airbags of course deployed.  After a door was pried open and they pulled me out, I got up and walked away with a bloody nose and one broken finger (where my left hand flew forward and broke the windshield).  I think the bloody nose came from the blown-off steering cover that flew at me when the airbag opened.  Of course, I had bruises all over from the restraints, but I was walking around bitching and taking pictures when the emergency crews arrived.


This was a 1997 standard-cab pickup.  I was so impressed with the result that I immediately bought the same truck in a new 2003.

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« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2008, 10:22:39 AM »
BTW, I was very lucky that the guy driving behind me was there to pry a door open.  When airbags deploy, the vehicle fills with smoke that is almost unbreatheable.


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Roger's advice is very good.  Modern occupant-protection systems are amazing, but only if they are allowed to work as designed.  


In 2003 I was driving my 1/2-ton Dodge Ram pickup when an oncoming 18-wheeler angled into my lane.  I hit him head-on at about 30 MPH.  My truck was demolished, the front suspension snapped off and went bouncing down the road, the only thing that wasn't bent was the rear tailgate.  I was wearing my belt and harness, and the airbags of course deployed.  After a door was pried open and they pulled me out, I got up and walked away with a bloody nose and one broken finger (where my left hand flew forward and broke the windshield).  I think the bloody nose came from the blown-off steering cover that flew at me when the airbag opened.  Of course, I had bruises all over from the restraints, but I was walking around bitching and taking pictures when the emergency crews arrived.


This was a 1997 standard-cab pickup.  I was so impressed with the result that I immediately bought the same truck in a new 2003.

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