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Stonebrain

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good bye everybody
« on: December 12, 2008, 10:05:26 AM »
A posting of my got deleted and I can't accept this.

I've been here for some years now.and I have enjoyed it.

Picked up many ideas,and sharing my work helped me a lot for motivation.

Made huge progress in those years.

Thanks to everyone who helped me and showed interest in my projects

Time to leave now,feeling bad about that.


cheers,

stonebrain

« Last Edit: December 12, 2008, 10:05:26 AM by (unknown) »

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Re: good bye everybody
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2008, 04:21:27 AM »
I probably am out of line by interjecting in a comment when your in over amped on your posting but you have to realize that I feel a sense of community with the folks on this board . You have to wear a crusty layer that shields you from a such trauma . We all  put ideas out constantly and and that's something we have in common . Weather you have a legitimate basis for being pissed is not an option for us now because the board is after all a public affair with responsibility on all sides . I urge you to rain in your emotions and lets get on with bringing folks up to speed on all facets of RE . If your like me most people just listen to what I have to talk about in this topic with a glazed eye just waiting for me to put a sock in it so I can sympathize with you on an emotion you have stored .  Swallow hard and let's get on with it.

« Last Edit: December 12, 2008, 04:21:27 AM by tecker »

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Re: good bye everybody
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2008, 05:41:20 AM »
Just checked the deleted post and it said 'diary material' so if you reposted here it should be fine ..
« Last Edit: December 12, 2008, 05:41:20 AM by fungus »

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Re: good bye everybody
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2008, 05:46:33 AM »
Just curious, what post got deleted, what was the title and date?


    Often I will post and don't see it show up in recent activity or everything and have to look for it under my comments or something. It's always there somewhere and even when I can't see it I will still see people reply to it. Figured it was just a glitch.

« Last Edit: December 12, 2008, 05:46:33 AM by TheCasualTraveler »

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Re: good bye everybody
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2008, 05:56:28 AM »
well, i have enjoyed your postings  comments i like the things you build.

sorry you can't stay

is it the vertical thing?

try here.

http://www.vawts.net/index.spark
« Last Edit: December 12, 2008, 05:56:28 AM by electrondady1 »

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Re: good bye everybody
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2008, 05:57:28 AM »
stone;


Well, I read that post "Why I hate electricity" and what reaction did you expect from a forum with the tag line "Make your electricity from scratch"? It served no purpose beyond whining about something nobody has control over.


I am sorry nobody was interested enough to comment on your pond pump/stirrer Diary until after you complained about it in the rant, but it is not really surprising because verticals have been in use pumping water for a long time.


Leaving because of it is your choice, of course.


Have a good holiday.


Tom

« Last Edit: December 12, 2008, 05:57:28 AM by TomW »

Stonebrain

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Re: good bye everybody
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2008, 08:42:42 AM »
ok you know I like provoking titles.

That doesn't give you the right to delete it.


My statement was that in some cases it's more efficient to bypass electricity.

Well of course you can decide that this kind of statement has no place on this forum.

You're wrong,wrong.


Anyway,I deleted my 140 or so photo uploads.

And decided to present my coming contributions in an other place.

I guess that's were you're after.

So be happy.


A good holliday for you too


cheers,

stonebrain

« Last Edit: December 12, 2008, 08:42:42 AM by Stonebrain »

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Re: good bye everybody
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2008, 09:13:29 AM »
I agree, there is a lot of good knowledge, and people here.  But there is NO freedom of Posting, somebody else make the call if the posting is right! I understand if there is something vulgar, or disgusting.  Or maybe move posting, but delete some one freedom to say something, Wrong!  They never delete the bad information that is given out, just what they feel is inappropriate.  This is why I still read the postings here, If I have a question I post it elsewhere, I would never buy anything from here the policies turn me off. I just don't need more aggravation in my life to be censored!!!


Hami


P.S. I will be surprised if this posting makes it!

« Last Edit: December 12, 2008, 09:13:29 AM by hamitduk »

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Re: good bye everybody
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2008, 09:18:30 AM »
Stonebrain,      

   You are a good contributor. There are many persons who appreciate a project(s) but do not comment about it.  Sorry you are so upset.  Maybe just take some time off for awhile.  Always enjoyed your projects and efforts.
« Last Edit: December 12, 2008, 09:18:30 AM by CmeBREW »

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Re: good bye everybody
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2008, 09:58:51 AM »
I've been coming to this site for years, pre-scoop.  I've seen plenty of members come and go and have seen this site evolve.  I've had a few stories deleted and I understand the blow to the ego that comes from that happening.


Some members who get posts deleted blow off a little steam and/or take some time off... but then they get back to it... some leave for good.

Deleting all your photos leaves holes in old posts and can leave many people frustrated when an search brings up a post where pictures no longer load.


In my opinion, deleting all you photos shows a level of maturity that might not be appropriate for this site and you might be better served posting to another forum.


The owners of this site have always said to upload as many photos as you want.  I'd suggest re-uploading your photos, show the forum you're the "bigger man", regardless of whether you stay or leave.


Good luck to you.

« Last Edit: December 12, 2008, 09:58:51 AM by zap »

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Re: good bye everybody
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2008, 11:53:36 AM »
SB, I too have enjoyed your posts. I really hate seeing you leave as I feel that you have contributed to many other's learning processes.
« Last Edit: December 12, 2008, 11:53:36 AM by jimjjnn »

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Re: good bye everybody
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2008, 12:45:03 PM »
I am with you brother. It takes effort to organize your ideas and accomplishments to share with others. Ultimately, when you don't like how others are playing and it isn't your playground... the only power you have is to take your ball and go. I moderate a community of 500,000 members and know that I have to consider the status of who I am moderating before taking action as they may have a ball that many others enjoy.


Lar.

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Re: good bye everybody
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2008, 01:20:01 PM »
I learned a while ago that when posting messages on a forum, you don't "own" the posting.  The owners/operators of the website "own" it, as much as anyone can own electrons.  They can do what they want with the "content" of the posting: edit, correct, reply to it, or delete it outright.  It's their prerogative.  If they leave garbage on display, it hurts the reputation of the forum.  If they delete even the good stuff, that also hurts.  The system is self-correcting when managed that way.
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Re: good bye everybody
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2008, 02:16:11 PM »
Stonebrain i am right there with you i have had the same issues and even told my paragraphs and spelling are to bad. if the ideas in the post follow a very narrow path they are ok but step off the trail and your not wanted. i just stop in every now and then but gave up on this forum long ago.

If it where not for people thinking out of the box we wouldnt have half the stuff we like to use today. but enough said see ya on the other side
« Last Edit: December 12, 2008, 02:16:11 PM by halfcrazy »

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Re: good bye everybody
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2008, 03:59:12 PM »
Quit your sniveling and grow up, life is not always perfect and you do not run this board. The powers that be decided your post was not acceptable, and deleted it, deal with it... or don't, the choice is yours.


Dustin

« Last Edit: December 12, 2008, 03:59:12 PM by dbcollen »

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Re: good bye everybody
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2008, 04:29:32 PM »
wow...what a can of worms....


pretty different mix.


i for one love reading all post on this forum...no matter if it is a repeat or not.


SB  you are young and very wise, don;t let this deter you.

I you feel you must leave leave.  if you wish to stay...I'm sure you are allways welcomed...and if you are fearful of others judging you...well "FRIG THEM"  who cares what other ppl think?  it's what you think that matters.


if you do not coem back, you will be missed and i wish you a great holiday season.


if you wana chat add me to your msn a6d9@hotmail.com  


if not...i completely understand


as for the site.  it is what it is...no one has a right to diss it or not...

« Last Edit: December 12, 2008, 04:29:32 PM by A6D9 »

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Re: good bye everybody
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2008, 07:10:16 PM »
Hi Stone

 I thought many times of posting a goodby message over the years.Now everytime i get discouraged i say to myself "frustration is fun".When you get over the frustration the fun gets funner.

 Hang in there and thanks for your advice over time.


 V......

« Last Edit: December 12, 2008, 07:10:16 PM by vawtman »

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Re: good bye everybody
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2008, 08:09:04 PM »
I've had a few deleted.


(And I was really annoyed when the stuff on air-powered cars was dumped, twice, on the incorrect claim that it was overunity.  Yes, some of the proposals WERE overunity.  But others were not.  We had a good discussion going which got killed, about a genuine windpower application, and I'd wanted to continue it.)


But the site is not a public utility.  It's owned and run by those who own and run it.  If they don't want their ball used to play a particular game it's their right to take it and go home.


My reaction:

 - When I thought the admins were doing the right thing, just go on as before.

 - When I thought they were doing the wrong thing (with respect to what they intended the site to be), go do other stuff until I felt inspired to contribute again.  (Took about a week on the car thing if I recall before I was fully engaged.)


If it happens too often I'll probably find something else to be interested in.  Meanwhile I'll probably hang around.


Unfortunately for us (though possibly fortunately for their available time and peace of mind) the site's structure is not conducive to trying to convince them they're in error.

« Last Edit: December 12, 2008, 08:09:04 PM by Ungrounded Lightning Rod »

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Re: good bye everybody
« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2008, 08:55:26 PM »
Sadly, bagging and tagging is a function of any decent forum. I can see both sides of this, and while it's sometimes unfortunate or unfair, the rules are really there for a good reason. This place has the appeal it does because ideas are freely passed about from one person to the next about their experiences. If it were clogged up with off-topic posts everywhere, it would lose much of that appeal, and quick.


Think of how many times you've been on another forum that the admins don't really care, and had to weed through tons of irrelevant BS to get to what you are trying to ultimately find out. Its frustrating. I don't necessarily agree with deleting something that is not explicitly offensive, and just off-topic, so long as its just here or there, but alas, none of us make the rules. The admins do. It is what it is.


I look at it like this - If you got mad and quit experimenting every time you got 'denied' trying to break a law of physics, you wouldn't last long as an experimenter. We all do it, and with the possible exception of the over unity crowds (?), it's usually unwittingly, but we still do it, none the less. Nothing in the world is perfect, there are flaws everywhere. This would be no exception.


According to what I am gathering, the answer is simple: If you put it in a diary, you can say (almost) anything you want, about (again, almost) anything you want, at any time. If you put it in a normal post, in, say 'wind', and the contents of the message reveal that you are in the midst of a gripe about world peace, it pretty much makes sense that it gets deleted. Put it in a diary, and as long as you aren't threatening people or something equally disturbing, it will probably just be ignored, worst case.


Anybody, please correct me if I'm wrong here. If I'm right, then Stonebrain, you have your solution, and the admins are happy and will leave it alone, and we can all get back to everyday life, you know, making mistakes! ;)


Steve

 

« Last Edit: December 12, 2008, 08:55:26 PM by Madscientist267 »
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Re: good bye everybody
« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2008, 12:45:11 AM »
whats that old sayin--sticks and stones might hurt me -but words never will..

come on its just a forum--i will  say  GOODBYE--- but i expect to say HELLO

TOMORROW--DONT GO AWAY MAD-DONT GO AWAY AT ALL..were all here-were not all in

harmony[boring if we were]....heck ive been shot down in the past HOW MANY TIMES..

still fun stuff---breaks up a boring night--right.......see yah..............soon!!
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good bye everybody ??
« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2008, 06:09:25 AM »
Ah...  wish you hadn't done that don't leave

us entirely....at least E-mail some of us once in

awhile....can't put my thoughts into words like

some here can....and I agree with some of what

you want to say....just that it's off topic here!

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Re: good bye everybody
« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2008, 09:35:25 AM »
Stonebrain

You have contributed greatly to this forum. Looking at your Posts and Comments proves this out. Then you make a somewhat offtopic post and it's not in your Diary, so it's deleted with a note about being Diary Material. So you go "Postal" and shoot down the administration, Quit the Forum, and Take all your files which breaks all the posts and stories that contained your good information. Basically you have taken away much of the contribution that you have provided us with. I'm not completely sure that this is the kind of person that we want to have around here.

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Re: good bye everybody
« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2008, 12:13:24 PM »
I feel I have to reply to all those postings,but I try to do it all in one.

Thanks for all those good words.

I feel I have some friends over here.


I know

When they shoot at you,

don't shoot back,even if you have a gun in your pocket.

Should have remembered that.and even more at this time of the year.

shouldn't have deleted my files,

I may have hurt some of my friends.


I hope you forgive me.


good holiday for all


stonebrain

« Last Edit: December 13, 2008, 12:13:24 PM by Stonebrain »

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Re: good bye everybody
« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2008, 01:24:43 PM »
Dear stonebrain, I'm not really sure I'm qualified to post about this, but you're starting to sound like you're reconsidering. Personally, I think this is good.


You could have just faded away, but you felt what happened to you was important enough that you made a very public statement about your leaving to draw attention to the situation. I can only assume your hope was to encourage what you felt might be a positive change of direction.


IMHO you are taking the position of the customer instead of the merchant. If you could mentally put yourself in the shoes of the site owners and moderators, you might understand better how difficult and time-consuming it must be.


I'm sure I myself have caused some annoyance on occasion (I remember at least 3 of my postings deleted, though I knew at the time they were "sketchy") but consider what I think are the options:


You stop posting anything anywhere...or

You find a new forum where everything you think of recieves a 98% positive response...


I don't think either choice will help anyone, especially you. This is a great site, with a great bunch of members. What good would it be if we all agreed, all the time?


For my part, I will try to post less and read more, and I thank everyone here.

« Last Edit: December 13, 2008, 01:24:43 PM by spinningmagnets »

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Re: good bye everybody
« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2008, 06:33:57 PM »
well i think it's a pity your photos wont be on file .

the stuff you build is artistic and pleasing to the eye.

i have been looking forward to an update on that big vertical you were building out of all the bits and pieces of reclaimed wood .

please leave a forwarding address.
« Last Edit: December 13, 2008, 06:33:57 PM by electrondady1 »

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Re: good bye everybody
« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2008, 08:28:33 AM »
for who want to talk to me,my mail:

jacobus arobas free dot fr
« Last Edit: December 15, 2008, 08:28:33 AM by Stonebrain »