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windspeed

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hydro experiment
« on: April 15, 2009, 10:21:56 PM »
Following on from our hydro experiment posting here

http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2009/3/29/205523/911

I would like to know whether the flowing water should fill up the vane inlet opening, or just enough to feed the nozzle opening

Pics to follow

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ghurd

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Re: hydro experiment
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2009, 04:32:42 PM »
Not related to your question,

Any idea what kind of generator you use?

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Ungrounded Lightning Rod

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Re: hydro experiment
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2009, 05:25:09 PM »
As I understand it (don't take this as revealed truth):


The nozzle opening should be filled with water and open at least as wide along the direction of rotation as the separation between two blades.  You can adjust the flow (and power) by adjusting the opening of the nozzle but you don't want to make it smaller than that unless you're turning it off.  Ideally the nozzle opening should be a multiple of the blade spacing, so an essentially constant number of blades are in the flow, minimizing torque fluctuations.


If you don't have enough water supply to keep the the nozzle full you can divide the rotor into sections.  (Put a disk into the inner opening, like the ones at the ends of the rotor, to keep the water from moving sideways between sections of the rotor.)  A common arrangement is to divide it 1/3 and 2/3, so you can turn on one, two, or three units of water with binary combinations of two valves' settings.


There's no inherent reason you couldn't use 1/7, 2/7, 4/7 for 7 power levels with three on/off controls, etc. if you can't figure out a good way to move one side of the nozzle to adjust the opening along the direction of rotation.


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One nice thing about a banki is that you can put it in a sealed housing with an airtight/watertight shaft bushing and a closed tailstock, get the air bubbles out, and take advantage of ALL of the head (even though the turbine is a few feet above the water exit) by letting the weight of the water in the tailstock suck a vacuum.  You can keep your genny above water level even though it's directly connected to the turbine shaft.

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Re: hydro experiment
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2009, 02:57:01 AM »
at this stage we are trying a 400 w chinese pmg which we have lying about

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Re: hydro experiment
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2009, 01:59:54 AM »
Not sure what you mean by this.

You must have a full supply to the nozzle and the pressure at the inlet of the nozzle should be virtually your full head. The change from pressure to velocity should take place in the nozzle, you don't want any pressure drop in the feed to the nozzle.


The nozzle jet should be a minimum of about one blade width and you will need to limit its axial coverage to maintain this. If you have plenty of water you can increase the jet span to 2 or 2.5 blades. Whatever you do the second stage is going to be a bit of a compromise with the angles of approach, keep velocity right up and get most from the first stage as if it was a Turgo.


If you are dealing with large changes in water flow then sectionalising the nozzle will keep the velocity up. If can can solve the mechanical problems you can also open and shut the nozzle to span one or more blades but for a small set up shutters in the nozzle to cut it into sections is probably far easier.


From what I remember of your drawings you have a very long runner and you will need a monster flume to feed it and plenty of water. Unless you can provide this then just use a short length of it.


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Re: hydro experiment
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2009, 09:18:06 AM »
do you think we would be better of keeping full flow to a shorter length of the blades than partial flow to the full width

should the flume be filled to head level


Thanks

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