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ebby1234

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water wheel
« on: September 21, 2009, 09:14:02 PM »
Can any one tell me If I double the size of my water wheel from 4ft to 8 ft does it double the power or 4 times the power with the same flow rate
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Re: water wheel
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2009, 03:55:54 PM »
Is it undershot or overshot?


For an overshot you will double your output by doubling the head, assuming the larger water wheel harnesses twice the water drop.

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Re: water wheel
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2009, 04:37:14 PM »
Assuming you have enough head to feed it at the top after it's doubled, of course.
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Re: water wheel
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2009, 04:50:41 PM »
To clarify:


Overshot (and side-shot) wheels are generally the equivalent of pressure turbines.  They gently accept water at a high level ("high pressure" if it were put into a pipe and the pressure measured at the lower level), lower it like an elevator to a lower level, and gently release it.  In the process they recover nearly all of the energy represented by the mass times the change in gravitational potential.  (They CAN recover some energy from the momentum of the incoming water, but usually that's not much and that's not what they're optimized to grab.)


The height of an overshot wheel is the height of the "elevator", the height of the incoming water, and the height of the head.  If you can double the height of the wheel (without turning it into a side-shot) you were wasting half the head - and now you're not wasting it so you double your power.  If you turned it into a side-shot because it was already as high as the incoming water you didn't gain squat.


Undershot wheels are generally the equivalent of velocity turbines.  The accept water at a low level with a high velocity and slow it down, releasing it at an only slightly lower level (or even a HIGHER level if they've caused a "hydraulic jump", though the raceway is usually designed to avoid that) and a lower velocity.  They get their power from slowing the water.


The height of an undershot wheel is not particularly related to the power (though it DOES have to be high enough that the water entering the sectors doesn't jump up too far as it is being slowed down).  What it's about is impedance - torque vs. RPM.  Double the height of an undershot and you double the torque, cut the RPM in half, and don't change the power collected at all (except maybe a minor change related to the ability of the revised geometry of the sectors between the blades to gently slow and release the moving water.)

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