I've reviewed the links you provided, and stand by the decision to delete your post. It contained "too much spurious science and perpetual motion fallacy." This board is dedicated to practical renewable energy ideas that work. We depend
entirely on solar and wind energy up here to run our homes and our business. We've never met a perpetual motion / overunity enthusiast that lives off grid -- such folks are destined for reading by candlelight if they were to move up here to OUR reality. Overunity/perpetual motion posts are not allowed on our board.
Currently there seems to be a trend towards confusing wood gasification, which uses the high-temperature splitting of water from the wood charcoal into hydrogen to enrich it's fuel, with "water power from hydrogen." Note that "C" is a required element for this reaction. The concept is the same, but the measurement of power is being used vs. produced is not being measured correctly by overunity enthusiasts. People that live off grid appreciate ANY Watt that comes their way, and don't have time for things that don't bump the amp-hour meter up towards full.
The chemistry is: In a wood gasifier, the carbon is from the charcoal, and besides enriching the gas, water is used used for cooling the chamber also. If you can get the temperature inside to 1650 deg F, the reaction is C + H2O = CO + H2. At 935 F, the reaction is C+2H2O = CO2 + 2H2. It takes LOTS of energy to get the chamber this hot, so there are efficiency issues that are not being addressed on these websites. For some real wood gasification and hydrogen splitting info from the trenches, see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WoodGas/
You don't have to be scientist to build this stuff -- but you have to measure your input and output accurately.
RE http://pesn.com/ -- Cool article about Fairchild. Spurious free energy links. Any efficient way to make and store hydrogen is great for everyone in the world, however it's a very inefficient way to convert and store energy right now. Hopefully it gets better with research. This URL is fine, except for all the perpetual motion links from the site.
all of:
http://jlnlabs.online.fr/bingofuel/html/aquagen.htm
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/9805031
http://www.blazelabs.com/n-aquagen.asp
I've been doing this experiment since Jr. High School. Yes, it's easy to make hydrogen at home. It's currently a very inefficient way to use H electricity for storage. People on some of these sites who say they've achieved more than 100% efficiency are not taking their measurements correctly, they need to get much more scientifically rigorous for people to pay attention. If you want to see some real cutting edge solar-to hydrogen conversions, with GOOD math, check out this and their links beyond:
http://www.colorado.edu/news/releases/2004/326.html
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