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Dan M

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Wierd Units
« on: February 03, 2005, 08:28:51 PM »
I have a units conversion spreadsheet that contains several units with the prefix "AB".


abamperes

abfarads

abhenries

abohms

abvolts

....etc.


The conversion values are such that it can't represent a constant (like kilo or milli).


For example 1 abvolt = 10^(-8) volts.


But 1 abcoulomb = 10 coulombs?!?!?!?


Did Allen Bradley come up with there own units to protect trade secrets?


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Flux

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Re: Wierd Units
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2005, 01:46:30 PM »
These seem to be the absolute cgs units.


The absolute cgs unit of emf is 10^(-8) volts.


The absolute amp is 10A, which ties up with the Ab coulomb. I dont' know how the Henries and Ohms fit in as we used the International standard units that were defined from the resistance of a column of Mercury etc.


Hope this helps.


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Re: Wierd Units
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2005, 01:51:04 PM »
This definately belongs under rants.

According to


http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci551470,00.html


these are metric redifinitions of our units.  Only it called them cgs, or centimeter gram second instead of metric.


Really weird, I had not known there was any move afoot to redefine.  What good is 10 to the -8 volts anyway, unless you are making intracellular measurements or something like that.

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Re: Wierd Units
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2005, 06:51:39 PM »
What about these weird watt measurements

yoctowatt

zeptowatt

yottawatt

and did you know that the human brain uses about 40 watts when under a load


all of this information is on this page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(power)

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Re: Wierd Units
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2005, 06:53:43 PM »
Looks like you'll have to Copy and Paste that link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(power)

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Re: Wierd Units
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2005, 08:08:46 PM »
"and did you know that the human brain uses about 40 watts when under a load"


Sounds rather dim. :-)

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Re: Wierd Units
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2005, 12:24:08 AM »
the ab-prefixes must have somthing to do with the spreadsheet. all the values are correct, henrys, volts, amps, etc.


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Re: Wierd Units
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2005, 06:29:09 AM »
So if I carried a carbon pile in my pocket, would it be a stress reducer? :-)

(naw, I didn't think so)
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Dan M

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Re: Wierd Units
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2005, 06:53:50 AM »


"Sounds rather dim. :-)"


Not if you're using compact florescents!

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Re: Wierd Units
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2005, 09:00:52 AM »
Define "load'.  Sexual fantasies or deep thought?  Anyway, if you want to lose weight use your brain?
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Dan M

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Re: Wierd Units
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2005, 11:29:47 AM »


Looking at the high order prefixes it gets me wondering.


2^10 is close to 10^3, but isn't the same.


Since in computer-speak, a kilobyte is not 1000 bytes, but rather 1024 bytes,


and a megabyte is not 1000k but rather 1024k,


and so on.


This makes a terrabyte very close to 1.1 trillion bytes, or a discrepancy of 10%.


So in a few (probably very few) years when hard drives are expressed in terrabytes, will a terrabyte be 2^40 bytes or 10^12 bytes?

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Re: Wierd Units
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2005, 03:40:53 PM »
 1-farad capacitor can store one coulomb (coo-lomb) of charge at 1 volt. A coulomb is 6.25e18 (6.25 * 10^18, or 6.25 billion billion) electrons
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Re: Wierd Units
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2005, 08:32:00 PM »
Look, DUDES'


 i realy enjoy this site for what it is, practical..


Agreed.... 6,280,000,000,000,000,000 is ALOT of electrons...


 ok, so how many (cuu-loomeeb)'s is in a joule of 'M'-ergy, :)   likewise a capacitor at say, 1 FARAD., can store "so-many" electrons, 'if you will'[ whatever you were babbling back there, as far as numbers go]. Smiles again, and trys to convinice you, he is still kidding.


Maybe this will help-


 1- FARAD = 1 F   ...a 1 farad CAPACITOR is connected to a 1-volt supply will store- 6,280,000,000,000,000,000 (6.28 x 10 to the 18teenth'power) ELECTRONS!. So, does the [^symbol] mean 10^18 = ten to the eithight power? or What?


And for the guy with the carbon-pile in his pocket, You'd be well advised to never run anymore than 12volts, at [ever more than] 2.0 amp's, in to that thing, while its in your pocket.     ?


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Re: Wierd Units
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2005, 04:55:38 PM »
Well,


 since this thread on weird units, I have done some additional researsh on the [^ symbol], it appears this is the 'upper case' greek letter for LAMBDA. tHE 'lower case letter' would be something that looks like a 2... So, how are us, un-physists suposed to equate this, "as" ^ = to the such and such power??? anyone?


Ya, we're pretty-much practical here.. ;0


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