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Irish company promotes "free energy"
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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2006, 09:34:53 AM »
Hello Doc

 I like that discussion board attached to it.Click on discuss at the bottom if you didnt already.
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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2006, 07:44:23 PM »
I am wondering though what the story is? They have created a device that creates energy, ...fine. But the description of the process is very lame, there is actually no description at all. How about something detailed like: "we shot a 20MHZ signal at this material from a 20 deg angle and received a power output of X watt, but we only put Y Watt in" ...


But what does one get ... we turn around a magnetic field and return to the starting point????? Sounds like any rotating gen-set to me. Don't get me wrong, ...I love stories about free energy, frequently visit pages like blacklightenergy.com and read up on zero point stuff.


This article told us absolutely nothing new ....


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Re: Irish company promotes "free energy"
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2006, 12:19:21 AM »
And I thought the Irish were out of jokes...


I guess there will be an influx of Perpetual motion

claims as we continue to run out of natural resources.

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Re: Irish company promotes "free energy"
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2006, 06:00:18 AM »
The companys web site is http://www.steorn.net

long on hype and short on details
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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2006, 09:05:30 AM »
I wonder if they tested it in a Faraday cage?  The one thing these people seem to lose sight of is that the space around us is filled with electromagnetic energy ranging from 50 or 60 cycles (around 3,000 mile wavelength) to microwaves and beyond.  And physics allows for the construction of resonant devices to detect and gather in that energy.  Cheers!
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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2006, 10:58:11 AM »
Checking the calendar... Nope, definitely not April 1st. These must be genuinely real idiots, not jokers.


"And physics allows for the construction of resonant devices to detect and gather in that energy."


Yep. It's called an antenna. Or aerial, depending on where you're from.


"Steorn issued its challenge through an advertisement in the Economist magazine this week quoting Ireland's Nobel prize-winning author George Bernard Shaw who said that "all great truths begin as blasphemies". "


Asking people to think outside of the box. Good. But, 99% of blasphemies not only begin as blasphemies but end there as well. And I wonder why had they had to advertise in The Economist, and not made headlines on the front page of that same paper.


"What we have developed is a way to construct magnetic fields so that when you travel round the magnetic fields, starting and stopping at the same position, you have gained energy," McCarthy said."


I think one of the basic properties of fields is that as you travel on the same fieldline, you can't gain or lose energy. But maybe I should've paid more attention in physics class. slapping forehead No wait, I'm missing the point, this is a radically new way of -creating- energy. Physics laws no longer apply.


"McCarthy said Steorn had not set out to develop the technology, but "it actually fell out of another project we were working on"."


Lemme guess. Converting lead into gold?


""For the first six months that we looked at it we literally didn't believe it ourselves. Over the last three years it had been rigorously tested in our own laboratories, in independent laboratories and so on," he said. "But we have been unable to get significant scientific interest in it. We have had scientists come in, test it and, off the record, they are quite happy to admit that it works. "But for us to be able to commercialise this and put this into peoples' lives we need credible, academic validation in the public domain and hence the challenge," McCarthy said"


Those cynical scientists. 100 years of disproving over-unity machines has made them so skeptic that they don't even keep an open mind when judging the merits of your project.


My idea, the next step: this marvellously new & radical free energy idea will be bought up by a major oil company and put in the biggest safe they have. No one should have access to such a free energy source. It'll ruin those companies.


I love it. Zero energy plans. Honest, well-intending project leaders. Looking for funding (to have it tested more thoroughly, no doubt). And who knows, maybe in the end a cover-up of the major oil companies. Or, gasp, maybe George W will cover it up for them.


Yawn.

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Re: Irish company promotes "free energy"
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2006, 09:41:53 PM »
Nothing wrong with "free energy".

I also wouldn't mind lugging that little contraption around they show on their website to keep from having to pulg in my cellphone every night or so..shouldn't weigh over 15 to 20 pounds.

Personally I have to wear an aluminum foil hat (used to use steel, but the eddy currants and the weight were tiresome) to keep from intercepting a big bunch of that energy and cooking my head. (and keeping the ground connection attached and not tangling up is a royal pain!)

Maybe that's the reason for the required grounding of the incoming grid power neutrals--??

"THEY" don't want us to know it abounds everywhere just for the taking!

Shades of "The Matrix"--Neo--Neos--a-ha!!

2 big neo magnets going in big spirals around a body and a terminal at the head and feet of a human WILL generate power!!! NOW I see it all!

Now I can put those useless relatives to WORK!


 

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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2006, 04:06:05 AM »
Perhaps someday we will find true free energy, but it will cost more than we can afford to capture it :(


Hmm, we rotate magnet poles past coils to produce electric, the Earth rotates, has 2 poles, how big a coil do we need??? :)

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Re: Irish company promotes "free energy"
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2006, 09:08:35 AM »
""And physics allows for the construction of resonant devices to detect and gather in that energy."


Yep. It's called an antenna. Or aerial, depending on where you're from."


I don't think it's as simple as that.  An antenna connected to a resistive load will provide some current into the load, but that is not considered resonance.  Resonance normally is considered to occur when the antenna is connected to a tank circuit tuned to the given frequency, when the current then rises to a much larger value.  This may be splitting hairs in that the antenna itself could be resonant due to its construction.  It has been deduced that if a series of increasing diameter metal balls is put into an electromagnetic field, at a certain diameter the Poynting Vector will be bent toward the ball rather than just passing by.  The Poynting Vector, of course, gives the value of energy flow in the field.  When it is deflected toward the ball, it means there is a net flow of energy onto the ball.  This makes the ball appear as a much larger obstacle to the field than its actual physical dimensions.  This causes currents to flow around the ball resulting in heating of the surface, converting the incoming energy into heat.  These surface currents also create electromagnetic fields near the ball, as well as re radiating some of the energy.  My take on this is that these secondary fields interact with the incident field (superposition applies for fields of the same frequency) causing the Poynting Vector to be bent toward the ball when the relationship of the incident frequency and ball diameter is correct.  If this is so, then it is conceivable for a physical device such a "Bedini Motor" to generate Electromagnetic fields that can interact with the 50 or 60 cycle fields in such a way that the device becomes resonant with the field and can then receive energy from the field, it appearing electrically much larger to the field than its actual size.  That's why I think these people should test their machine in a Faraday cage where there are no external electromagnetic fields present.    

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Re: Irish company promotes "free energy"
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2006, 10:25:29 AM »
"An antenna connected to a resistive load will provide some current into the load, but that is not considered resonance."


Yes it is. The antenna (excluding theoretical constructs like an isotropic radiator), like a dipole, 1/4L GP, Yagi, etc.etc. is resonant at (at least) one frequency. The antenna has and is its own inductor and capacitor.


Not only will it provide current to that resistive load, it will provide power. Nano-watts, but still, power.


As to the rest, Poynting vectors, etc. I'm no expert in the field of RF theory. Have dabbled a bit with Maxwell's equations in the past though.


Connect an antenna to a spectrum analyzer and see the various signals and their amplitudes. Most are man-made. Then there is the noise the antenna receives, from the sun and the Milky Way, and the thermal noise of the device itself. I once calculated the amount of power in the noise, from, say 0 to 10GHz. It's measured in nano Watt, if not pico Watt.


I fully agree with you that whatever it is they have, they should test it in a sealed/closed environment. When they say they are travelling on the same magnetic fieldline, this may be true. However, at the same time they could be 'travelling' in the electric field or gravity field.


Then again, all this talking by me and you is pure speculation. Truth is we know nothing about this free energy source, other than what it's discoverers want us to knkow. Which is not much.

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Re: Irish company promotes "free energy"
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2006, 11:43:18 AM »
Hi All,


 Found another reference to this topic, I found it today on terra-daily(space-daily).


http://www.Terradaily.com/reports/Irish_Company_Challenges_Scientists_To_Free_Energy_Technology_999.
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 Really dont know what to think at this point. Versa the reference of antenni, in the comments- I visaulize an echo of some sort? makes me think of electrons pairing in an instant and traveling off in space at some 45* angle inducing a (small voltage) in a separate stystem?


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« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2006, 12:32:49 PM »
"...a concept that challenges one of the basic rules of physics..."


That's where I stopped reading.

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Re: Irish company promotes "free energy"
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2006, 01:47:35 PM »


These guys are so full of Sh*t, their eyes are turning brown.


They do have a US patent "application" pending though...

Go to http://appft1.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.html


type or cut/paste in  20060066428   for "Low energy magnetic actuator"


If they want recognition, all they have to do is to make something and sell

a few...  Perpetual money and all the recognition they want if true.


Isn't there an outfit (Randi ?) that offers anybody like, $1,000,000 if

they succeed in perpetual motion ?


Hey, you guys are already doing "free energy" as far as I'm concerned.

That's what wind and solar is, right ?  


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« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2006, 02:21:21 PM »
LOL. Think about it.


I'll give $10.000 x 10^999 for a PROVEN perpetual motion machine.

Or that many £ for contestants in the UK.

If it is still running at the end of forever, call me to claim the prize money.

I'll mail a check, or I'll post a check to the UK.


The cash prize will NOT be adjusted for inflation.

On second thought, what the heck, make it 20% per year.  ;)

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Re: Irish company promotes "free energy"
« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2006, 02:31:55 PM »
I've got one Ghurd, but I can't publish or the government & oil companies would be after me & my idea. They're not afraid of killing to get their hands on my idea!


So, since you know I can be trusted, I ask you to simply believe me when I say I have a device that is proven to do just that. Since I'm not a greedy guy and can't wait for forever, I'll settle for just a millionth of that amount of money. Reasonable enough, I think.




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« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2006, 02:33:02 PM »
missing caption:


"It may be perpetual motion, but it will take forever to test it."

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« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2006, 02:54:43 PM »
I'll write the check, as soon as Randi's check clears the bank!

You probably want it in Guilders instead of € just to be a pain in my...
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« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2006, 03:37:26 PM »
I dont know who said it, in one of the previous comments, but if this isnt the real thing, there sure going to regret making the claim.


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« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2006, 03:48:48 PM »
No they won't.


The only ones who are going to regret it are investors in this project.

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« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2006, 06:21:21 PM »
Who say's there are any investors, may just be priciples. Who knows?


 I say we burn um at the stake.


 Just because it's the agree-able thing to do.


 In the end, Im sure there will be a follow up article. You dont get this kind of coverage without one, there should be a yay or nay. Even if its total bs, there could be something these people are mis-understanding.


 Lets see how far they can get. What does it really cost us, to wait and see...


 besides, if its BS, then well know 5001 ways to make BS.


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« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2006, 12:48:59 AM »
Gentlemen step right step right see and hear the wonder of the age.


There is no!    I repeat no!    

Perpetual motion device on the web today that can hold a candle to or provide a greater net power out put.


Than just one .Just one can of OLD F power beans pat pending.


Just be care full  where you hold the candle talk about getting more bang for your buck  :  )


I can sling  a better line of blarney and Iam not even Irish  : )


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Re: Irish company promotes "free energy"
« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2006, 03:26:16 AM »


"Who say's there are any investors, may just be priciples. Who knows?"


C'mon JW, don't be naive...


"I say we burn um at the stake."


Darn. Just when I had found my lynching rope, they decide to burn them...

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« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2006, 03:46:28 AM »
dinges


(Darn. Just when I had found my lynching rope, they decide to burn them...)


Did  you think I was going let all that gas go to waste? ; )


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« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2006, 09:15:44 AM »
Well, in the early days people strung out long wire antennas and used them to receive radio waves over the entire broadcast and short wave bands, so antenna resonance was not necessary.  I did, however, allow for the possibility of the antenna being resonant at some frequency, just as the metal ball.  The question is, "What is the role of the tank circuit"?  In say an oscillator circuit it increases voltage and current via the ability of the reactive elements to alternately store and release energy.  This energy comes from other parts of the circuit.  So, in a crystal radio, which assuredly gets its power from the incident radio wave it appears the tank circuit also increases the power coming from the radio wave.  That is, if you connect the detector directly to the antenna (using a low Q band pass circuit to cut out unwanted frequencies) you would get less power to the earphones than with the tank circuit.  Well, how can you get more power from the radio wave?  The tank circuit reacts with the antenna sending a larger current back to it than would come from not having the tank circuit.  This larger antenna current in turn creates a electromagnetic field around the antenna that causes the Poynting Vector of the radio wave to be bent toward the antenna, so the antenna appears larger and gathers in more energy or power.  I think the view is consistent.  It is also reasonable to expect that the tank circuit itself will be capable of resonating to a radio wave without the antenna just like the metal ball.  It is a simple extension from that to allow for the possibility that rotating arrangements of magnets and coils could also become resonant to E-M waves at certain frequencies and actually be capable of receiving power from a passing E-M wave.  If the overunity crowd would allow for this possibility and do the necessary measurements rather than the head in the sand approach they seem to prefer, they would probably get a much better reception, perhaps even in this forum.  I'm sure our hosts would be happy to sell them magnets and copper wire.
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Re: Irish company promotes "free energy"
« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2006, 09:21:54 AM »
Thats a nice power wheel shown on the drawing ,... what do they call them ... gravity wheels or so? ... the first one came out roughly 2000 years ago and failed ...hehe


One thing we have to consider: There are probably some forms of energy out there that we are not aware of or could not tap yet. Even some of todays technology could theoretically appear as nonsense if demonstrated. Imagine I would be able to obtain a golf ball consisting of enriched uranium, build myself a minireactor and start cooking water without telling anybody what the fuel is. The golf ball will now be heating water for the next couple years without any fuel line, power line or whatever going into it. Would almost be like magic, would it not? However, it can be simply explained by nuclear physics.


Tesla supposedly had a vehicle running on E-power and nobody know what fueled it, ... who knows what else might be out there?


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« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2006, 09:56:16 PM »
They have made a bold claim. Amazing if true. It could make development of wind turbines obsolete. I'll remain a skeptic until they prove otherwise. If you want to try and understand some of the theories they seem to be working with you can try and wade through the disjointed information at this site... http://www.cheniere.org


The sites author supports and trys to explain the theory behind "negative energy" and "the vacuum" when it comes to EMF. There's a bit too much conspiacy theory for me mixed in there. I think if it all worked so well, some clever hobbiest out there would have made a "magnetic motor" by now and taken himself off the grid. Did a company skilled in magnetic card readers out smart the scientific community and government research groups? Well no one really knows why magnets work, so any thing's possible. But I'm not ready to beleive them. It seems much more like a publicity/advertising stunt to me than a scientic find based on how it's all being presented.


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