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graeaglecrawler

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looking for reccomendation on proper size pump
« on: January 22, 2008, 06:25:39 PM »
I will be using the pump to recirculate water from my wood stove to the drain on my water heater, any body have any part #'s and possible sensors i would need. I am looking to use 1/2" copper and the route would be up 10' over 10' and down 10'. i have taco 008b 240v 1/25th hp but is this too big? will it run slower or at all with 120v. any design or info web sites or diaries would be great. thank-you


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AbyssUnderground

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Re: looking for reccomendation on proper size pump
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2008, 01:31:17 PM »
"*Sigh*"


Was that comment really necessary from the editor? As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, don't say it at all.

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Re: looking for reccomendation on proper size pump
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2008, 01:40:53 PM »
As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, don't say it at all.


Hmmm.... I seem to be saying that a lot of late. (nothing).

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Re: looking for reccomendation on proper size pump
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2008, 01:51:24 PM »
didn't some guy like post a link to a sight that had detailed drawings of how to do this like 2-3 weeks ago??? they were selling a kit but still you should be able to score pump size and type off there website.
« Last Edit: January 22, 2008, 01:51:24 PM by kurt »

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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2008, 02:29:08 PM »
Abyss;


YES, it was. Since you so generously brought it up. This user has posted 3 related questions in 2 days. At some point it gets ridiculous.


See:


http://www.fieldlines.com/user/graeaglecrawler/stories


The place is turning into Usenet or Yahoo Groups.


Maybe you should request they can this Editor?


Maybe everyone likes vague, marginally topical, incomplete questions?


Maybe I shoulda just killed it?


Maybe just because forum users can answer a question does not mean it belongs?


Maybe..


Maybe the site I joined several years ago that was supposed to be defined by "Make your electricity from scratch" has gone to "Any silly thing with any remote, feeble connection to RE"?


Frankly, I'm not happy with the direction the board has gone with all the marginally topical crap.


Maybe we need to be defined as "Can you guess what my question is"?


Maybe its none of your business.


Maybe its none of my business.


Maybe...


Maybe...


Maybe opinions are like anuses....


Take it anyway you like but now we effectively killed this thread whining [from all sides].


Oops, I forgot Administrative types cannot have an opinion on the board.


Happy?


Maybe..


Maybe this is a good example of why we should enforce topical comments?


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WindHarvester

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Re: looking for reccomendation on proper size pump
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2008, 03:07:27 PM »
This place is turning into a very unfriendly place. I understand the whole cabin fever thing but take it easy.


The editors and moderators are not only on forums to edit and moderate but should set a good example for the rest of forum users and in my opinion should refrain from creating a negative atmosphere.


I've noticed this alot lately, not only in regular posts but also peoples diaries.


This is a worldwide forum and sometimes people need a helping hand with understanding how the forum works, it was a bit confusing to me when I first found this place.


Tom, Kurt and the others, you guys do a great job and summers just around the corner.


Take it easy folks!


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AbyssUnderground

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Re: CAUTION OFF TOPIC RANT BEWARE....
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2008, 03:09:41 PM »
I probably shouldn't have posted what I did but the fact remains that it shouldn't have been commented on, referring back to my original comment.


Anyway, best to get back on topic before I get my head taken off.

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graeaglecrawler

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Re: looking for reccomendation on proper size pump
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2008, 04:04:19 PM »
I have used the board search many times before i post and ask questions. this board appeared to be a great place for someone who was digging into this type of project and new to the subject. i want to do this project right the first time and not waste any money with under or oversize pumps pipes etc. three similar posts? that's right im still fishing for a design i'm comfortable with. just looking for a guiding hand and those that have answered me i thank-you.
« Last Edit: January 22, 2008, 04:04:19 PM by graeaglecrawler »

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Re: looking for reccomendation on proper size pump
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2008, 04:12:16 PM »
OK.  Cabin Fever is getting me too.


Anyway.

I don't see why you want a pump.  At all.


This is all related to the photo below.

It is coal fired. Single layer top and bottom.  The water jacket is maybe 2" thick, around the diameter.


The output is the high pipe.  The intake is the low pipe.


The storage tank is a standard 40 gallon gas water heater.  They don't have gas.

I "think" (I don't recall)...


The output of the coal heater goes into the gas heater's relief valve hole.

There is still a relief valve there!


The input of the coal heater comes from the gas heater's drain valve hole.


The aquastat/thermostat thing controls the draft.  It pulls the chain up and down.  No idea if the thermometer is actually connected to the same draft control device.


About 10~15 minutes from fire out, dead cold, and the water is hot enough to shower without ANY complaints from teenage girls.


Best I can say.  

"Takes a coffee can of coal a day".

"Doesn't often pop-off".  Translation- Sometimes it will, guessing once or twice a year.

Supplied a family of 6 or 8 with plenty of hot water, showering one after another.


There is no pump.


I know of a few that are connected to the wood or coal heating systems of quite large houses.  

None have a pump.

To avoid 'pop-off' they use a short (10'?) hot water base board heater section, high (4~5 feet) above the heater. This is controlled by a manual valve.

If the outside temperature is cold, they "crack" the valve.

If the outside temperature is VERY cold, they open the valve.

If the outside temperature is warmer, they close the valve.


I take it the concept is if the outside is very cold, the wood burner is running faster than they use hot water.

And if it is not so cold, the wood burner won't make enough heat to boil the water.


Where are you?  I might be able to find someone who can recommend someone in your area.

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Re: CAUTION OFF TOPIC RANT BEWARE....
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2008, 05:41:48 PM »
because it isn't about making your own RE it shouldn't be on this board??  Man you are conceited!!  *Sigh*

I could probably find some posts by you that are not making electricity!! But then again, if it is you I guess it is OK.


Maybe we should start emailing TomW to see if our questions are fit to be on this board?? Just a thought.

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Re: looking for reccomendation on proper size pump
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2008, 11:03:22 PM »
would a thermosyphon system still work in a situation like he has with the up 10 feet then down 10 feet to the plumbing?   If everything was at the same level or the tank was above the stove then I can see how you can rely on convection but with the high level being piping in the middle I would be thinking about a pump as well.
« Last Edit: January 22, 2008, 11:03:22 PM by strider3700 »

ghurd

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Re: looking for reccomendation on proper size pump
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2008, 12:44:33 PM »
You might be right.  

I read it a few times, and all I could figure was the burner was in the basement, and the storage was upstairs.

Now it sounds like the pipes might go over a hallway?

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Re: looking for reccomendation on proper size pump
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2008, 07:07:14 PM »
 Not sure it will run on 120 volt's.

Plug it in and see.IT WILL RUN HOT ON LOW VOLTS.

later

Elvin
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Re: looking for reccomendation on proper size pump
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2008, 07:24:01 PM »
I don't think I'd try it.  Even if it worked, how long would it last?

Then when the motor is shot, the thing will pop-off.  And there won't be any hot water either.

Might look for a different pump now.

G-

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Re: looking for reccomendation on proper size pump
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2008, 03:42:55 PM »
240 v motors dont last long on 120....
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