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fungus

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High Voltage windmills
« on: June 20, 2006, 06:20:56 PM »
I was thinking about high voltage windmills and my question is, could you somehow connect a computer power supply directly to a high voltage windmill(~120/240v) and with a booster on the output charge batteries?
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Re: High Voltage windmills
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2006, 12:25:36 PM »
It has been down with F&P setups i belive.  Yes it does work
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Re: High Voltage windmills
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2006, 01:26:36 PM »
Don't need a booster - just tweak the regulator for the 12v output.
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Re: High Voltage windmills
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2006, 01:57:43 PM »
A computer power supply has a constant voltage output, which is not good for charging batteries, nor does it give a particularly good match between the generator and the load.


You can use a switch  mode power supply (smps), but you need to vary the pulse width modulation (pwm) such that the battery charging current varies with the power available from the mill.


Ideally, you need a maximum power point tracker (mppt) algorithm, which constantly varies the pwm from moment to moment to match the power available from the mill.(1)


With the Fisher & Paykel (F&P), the maximum power available is a linear function with rpm(2), due to iron losses and internal inductance mainly; therefore you can use an LM2917 tacho(3), which gives a linear output voltage versus rpm, to control the pwm. By adjusting the slope of the transfer function, you can get it to match(4).


(1) I have a working but not fully tested prototype, see my diary.

http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2006/3/12/14840/1315


(2) There is a pdf of a spreadsheet I did after extensive testing of an F&P.

http://www.otherpower.com/images/scimages/2006/09590030sxc.pdf


(3) Again, in my diary

http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2004/8/22/212629/116


(4) Disclaimer; I haven't physically done this, but I am helping someone who is about to do exactly this.


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Re: High Voltage windmills
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2006, 04:42:11 PM »
Also forgot to mention one other problem. The topology used in computer power supplies won't handle the input voltage range available from an F&P. You actually need 2 smps in this case, the first to boost to some higher voltage, then a controlled down-converter to charge the batteries.


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Re: High Voltage windmills
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2006, 09:39:14 PM »
I believe what you would want to do is rewire the voltage monitoring circuit so it monitors the input, not the output voltage.  This would cause the inverter not to turn on untill a certain voltage is reached and drive the conversion harder as the input voltage increased.
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