My turbine power wall

[CompuTutor]

...one was taken out of service before it failed,
the other is new in the box,
it's a new return of one that did blow

Heheh, wow,
I thought I was pretty clear about what I wanted...

I am seeking a blown out "AccurateTools" / "ATSIU" Inverter please.

@Fabricator,
I sure hope you didn't throw yours out yet !   <Hopes>

I thought you had a blown out one still,
I must have missed the post saying you got it replaced.

No, I just want a dead one to start with,
if it aint dead yet, there is no use for it
as it doesn't have the information needed
about the failure you spoke of earlier.

They are easy enough to find in China,
I'll share what I have if you want it.

But wow, you totally took my question wrong fella.

I don't give a flying leap if you trash them in this forum,
or any other, I just like the stackable aspect, and the price.

It seems the real sticking point is what you described here:

OK folks, DO NOT USE THESE INVERTERS, they are total junk,
they have one time ground fault protection,
one ground fault and the inverter is smoked,
the 120 volt versions don't even have that...

And no, I don't work for them.

If I was trying to defend them,
would I have posted this a while ago ?
http://fieldlines.com/board/index.php/topic,144949.msg982095.html#msg982095

And if you had read the above correctly,
you'd have seen I'm retired, I work for ME...

Please re-read what I asked for above,
and stop trashing me instead, OK ?

I'm sorry you misunderstood me on this.

And $500 for all three is a real tempting offer for sure,
but I need to see a failed one first to judge for myself...

Thanks,
CompuTutor
Sat 02-05-11

[fabricator]

Yeah, well things aren't always the way they seem on the intraweb, when a guy with two posts states he has access to the company in china and wants to help them fix their inverters for free, Most people would tend to be very suspicious.

[CompuTutor]

I guess that makes sense,
all I had to do was Google:
ATSIU 2500P

I found this much about
the eBay guy AND China
in a few hours total time...

I'll post a copy of my text file I made so far,
and a couple emails I've received so far.

I have nothing to hide here,
I just wanted a burned out inverter...

Wasn't worth a penny to the donor anymore,
and will prove a good project for me refine it.

thought about decaffe ?

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Started Thu 02-03-11
Updated Thu 02-04-11

"Stackable Inverter Issue .txt"

Font = FixedSys (Fixed Width DOS) Font, Regular, 14-Point Size

A full bar of 68-asterisk's separate all major sections,
a partial bar of 30-asterisk's seperate minor subsections.
(68-asterisk's = Maximum print width with 0.500" margins)

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? Origin/meaning of "ATSIU" ?


As Acronym:
Aboriginal (And) Torres Strait Islander Unit

As A Full Word:
Particle Of Speech For The Nauruan Language
Island Of Nauru:
Size:       8 Square Miles Total
Population: 13,005 (2005 estimate)
Location:   Western Pacific Ocean
(On list if five smallest countries)

Other Info On ATSIU:
Nothing usefull found yet...

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"Proprietary SPSTM" (Semi-Pure Sine Wave):
                    (TM = Trade Mark )
No usable search results found on Google,
appears to be pure hyperbolic bull$#|+...

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Potential Manufacturer:
http://www.ssecn.com/

Redirects To Sales Website:
http://www.chinesegrid.com/Stackable-Power-Inverter/

$US=???.?? = 2,500-Watt Continuous / 5,000-Watt Peak

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Company Name Variations:
"MassPower"
"Ningbo National Hi-Tech Park Sunshine Technology Co., Ltd."
"Ningbo National Hi-Tech Zone Sunshine Technology Co., Ltd."
"Ningbo East-River Headstream New Power Technology Developing Co., Ltd."

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Model Number Variations:
SUN-2500P/12-230 = 12-VDC/120-VAC
SUN-2500P/24-230 = 24-VDC/120-VAC
SUN-2500P/48-230 = 48-VDC/120-VAC
SUN-2500P/12-120 = 12-VDC/240-VAC
SUN-2500P/24-120 = 24-VDC/240-VAC
SUN-2500P/48-120 = 48-VDC/240-VAC

SUN-250G = Grid Tie Model

Full Range Found On Internet:
SUN-75
SUN-120
SUN-150
SUN-300
SUN-500
SUN-600
SUN-800
SUN-1000
SUN-1200
SUN-1500
SUN-2000
SUN-2500
SUN-1500P
SUN-2000P
SUN-2500P

Notes:
G = Grid-Tie
P = Unknown

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From Website's "Contact Us" Page:
http://www.chinesegrid.com/contact/

Sales 1:
Room    18A1-02
29 Dongdu Road
World Trade Centre
Ningbo
China 315000
+86-574-8726-7980 Tel
+86-574-8726-1318 Fax
Sam (Samson)
Sunshine@ChineseGrid.com

Sales 2:
489 ZhaoLong Road
ZhuangShi, NingBo
China 315201
+86-574-8669-9728 Tel
+86-574-8669-8369 Fax
Mr. Shaw Liu
+86-137-3887-1588 Cell
Shaw@ChineseGrid.com

Sales 3:
European Branch Company:
"SixAxis Solar"
235 Beukenlaan
DG, Bleiswijk 2665
The Netherlands
Hans-Jurgen Kramer
+31-645-092-011 Tel
+31-842-152-239 Fax
http://www.SixAxis-Solar.com
Info@SixAxis-Solar.com

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Other Search Results Fron Import Websites:

Cherry@ChineseGrid.com
Susan@ChineseGrid.com

Ningbo East-River Headstream New Power Technology Developing Co., Ltd.
No. 1205 North Buliding
Shijilongteng
269 Zhongxing Rd
Ningbo, Zhejiang
China 315000
+86-574-2789-5348
+86-574-2789-5345

Notes:
ZhuangShi = Unknown
Ningbo    = The City
Zhejiang  = The Province
China     = The Country

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eBay User ID = DMSSGS
http://myworld.ebay.com/dmssgs/

$US=???.?? = 2,500-Watt Continuous / 5,000-Watt Peak
(eBay Reserve Somewhere Between $200 And $249.99)
Re-Labelled As "AccurateTools" Over Manufacturers Label

Model Number Variations:
ATSIU2500P12120 = 12-VDC/120-VAC
ATSIU2500P24120 = 24-VDC/120-VAC
ATSIU2500P48120 = 36-VDC/120-VAC
ATSIU2500P12240 = 12-VDC/240-VAC
ATSIU2500P24240 = 24-VDC/240-VAC
ATSIU2500P48240 = 36-VDC/240-VAC

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Internet Variations:

$US=$???.?? = 2,500-Watt Continuous / 5,000-Watt Peak

ATSIU-2500P-12-120 = 12-VDC/120-VAC
ATSIU-2500P-24-120 = 24-VDC/120-VAC
ATSIU-2500P-48-120 = 36-VDC/120-VAC
ATSIU-2500P-12-240 = 12-VDC/240-VAC
ATSIU-2500P-24-240 = 24-VDC/240-VAC
ATSIU-2500P-48-240 = 36-VDC/240-VAC

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Identical Sales Sheets To eBay Format:

Re-Labelled As "AccurateTools" Over Manufacturers Label

#1"
"Accurate Tools"
Info@AccurateTools.com
http://AccurateTools.com
http://who.godaddy.com/whois.aspx?domain=AccurateTools.com
WHOIS Database Reverese Lookup = 216.027.089.009

#2"
"Serious-Sounds"
http://www.serious-sounds.com/Power%20Inverters/
$US=349.99 = 2,500-Watt Continuous / 5,000-Watt Peak
Sales@Serious-Sounds.com
248-939-3398 Tel
248-642-2405 FAX
Note:
Address listed is actually
this person's own father's
Veterinarian hospital office,
see below subsection instead...

#3:
"DMSSGS"
http://stores.channeladvisor.com/dmssgs/Store/Tab.aspx?tabid=3
$US=349.99 = 2,500-Watt Continuous / 5,000-Watt Peak

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Actual Owner Of Address Listed:

"Downtown Birmingham Veterinary Clinic - Dr Swartz"
Dr. David M. Schwartz - Primary Doctor (Of) Veternary Medicine
Dr. Nancy Heinold     - Part Time Veterinarian
Dr. Susan Kenny       - Part Time Veterinarian
Michelle              - Nurse
http://www.facebook.com/dtbirminghammichiganveterinaryclinic

Veterinarian Address:
280 Daines Street
Suite 100A (& B)
Birmingham, MI (Michigan)
48009-6244
248-642-6144 Tel = Veterinarian Office
248-939-3398 Tel = From Accurate Tools Website
248-642-2405 FAX = From Accurate Tools Website

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Additional Website By Dr Swartz's Son:

"The Screen Factory"
   @TheScreenFactory.com
http://TheScreenFactory.com/
http://who.godaddy.com/whoischeck.aspx?Domain=TheScreenFactory.com
WHOIS Database Reverese Lookup = 208.131.145.092
248-939-3398

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Additional Seach On Physical Address:

"United States Patent Application 20060152925"
    "Mounting arrangement for a reflector"
Inventors:
Bruce R. Raby        (Tecumseh, CA)
Fredrick R. Raby Sr. (Tecumseh, CA)
Attorney, Agent or Firm:
John, Benefiel R.
280 Daines Street
Suite 100B
Birmingham, MI
48009-6244
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2006/0152925.html

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Other DMSSGS Items Of Interest:

"WIND PMA PERMANENT MAGNET ALTERNATOR GENERATOR TURBINE"
(eBay Reserve Somewhere Between $137.50 And $159.99)

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Various Inverter Reviews:

http://fieldlines.com/board/index.php?topic=144061.0.html
http://fieldlines.com/board/index.php/topic,144200.0.html   (Missing/Broken Link)

May Have Had Experience With This Unit:
TomW       = Tom   (Moderator)
Fabricator = Dale  (His Burnt Up...)   !!! ASK FOR IT !!!
FreeJuice  =
ChrisOlson = Chris (Has A Schumacher Now Instead...)

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E-Mail Reply #1:

Dear Sir,
we are a manufacturer

you have mentioned our rep. in usa,which one?

we have received a few complains and our products are widely welcomed

I know our products are not 100% perfect,there still need to be improved

if you have good suggestions or any good new design or any new products,we would like to cooperate with you

we need new technology,we need new products,we can even ask you to come to our factory, we can work together

can you introduce yourself to us?

best regards

samson

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E-Mail Reply #2:

Dear Sir,
Thank you very much!

 I am the designer of the stackable power inverter, and we are the manufactor of these stackable power inverters.

 Yes, the performance of the stackable power inverter is not very good, and have some points should to be improved, if you have some good ideas, pls kindly tell me, thank you again.

Best regards!
Shaw Liu

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[fabricator]

Well that is pretty damned impressive, I'll bet if you get in contact with the guy at accurate tools you could get him to ship you a smoked one, I'll guarantee he don't ship em back to China and he's got at least four that I know of, probably more like four hundred.
That would surely seem like some kind of E Bay violation, the actual designer of the product admits they are not right and need more work, yet they still sell em every day.

[CompuTutor]

Yeah, I have to agree on that point about selling known defect stuff.

And once again,
sorry for the misunderstanding about asking for the dead one.

Do you, or anyone else reading
know the first name of DrSwartz's son
that sells these on eBay (DMSSGS) please ?

Seems to me I remember somewhere that
ChrisOlson called him for you or something,
perhaps he knows his first name maybe (?)

With that, I'll just call the veterenarian's office,
and ask how to get ahold of him that way I guess...

Thanks,
CompuTutor
Sat 02-05-11

[fabricator]

I corresponded with him a lot on the smoked units, if I left a message on the www.serious-sounds.com website on the contact us page he always responded from his blackberry, the daines st address is the address on the shipping label on the unopened one I have, the phone number on the label is 248-642-6144.

[CompuTutor]

Thank you for clarification on this.

Yeah,
thats dad's Veterenarian's office number
on that shipping label of yours,
and thats the office address too...

I'll give him a jingle next week
(When daddy's office is open)
and ask what happens to those dead ducks.



Thanks for your help getting a sample,
I still maintain that the basic idea of
stackable inverters has good merit.

and at this price, a little re-work on the design,
and hopefully some cooperation from the maker
might yield an acceptable product for applications
that have a low danger factor like well pump motors,
and things that have switching supplies anyway like PC's.

I agree with others here too,
put top-dollar on the one running sensitive electronics,
and make a comprimise for motors and expendable stuff.

Do we need a top of the line inverter for a can opener?



CompuTutor
Sat 02-05-11

[fabricator]

That is why I originally jumped on these things, the stackability, but unless they can meet the requirements of the NEC, that the chassis ground be bonded to the neutral inside the inverter they are worthless for residential use, unless you don't mind electrocuting family members or living in a smoking hole in the ground.
and a word to the wise newb lose the chip on your shoulder and try to play nice with long time members, it'll make your life here easier, you might be somebody in the world, but on this board your just another newb.

[freejuice]

Compu,
 The joke really wasn't pointed towards you personally.... but now it is big boy...often times members have bright ideas and concepts then someone with a low...very low.... post count comes in here trying to rip-off another person's ideas in here for some kind of personal agenda/marketing scheme. There are a lot of very bright people in this forum who don't mind sharing ideas freely, but when YOU came in here with some kind of cryptic message wanting an inverter...what did you expect...a hug?

Many times folks with very bright ideas in this forum are met with fly by night shysters

As a person who makes assumptions about IQ's, just answer me this riddle, MR retired ENGINEER, if you had plainly explained what your motives were and explained it fully, would not have received a better response???

 But no, you went a different route, you roared in here trying to impress someone other than yourself! As of right now, you're flat lining on the friendship meter, but hey what I know my IQ is right in there with your social skills.
Likewise, no one was really impressed by your Google stalking abilities...it really doesn't make people want to warm up to you anyway.

So Google me away, once you locate me then step up to the plate and come and pay me a visit

Good luck

 Oh now I see where you editied your comment about a "low IQ" you're a real class act..one moment its there, next its not.

[CompuTutor]

Fabricator was right,
so I edited it out.

I was offended by the inplication,
but that was wrong of me to say.

And I posted that text file to show
I didn't work for the company,
I was LOOKING for the company...

[fabricator]

That's a start, if those things actually worked properly and dependably, they would be very useful.

[Madscientist267]

Come on guys... LOL

This is turning into another skewed thread.

If I'm correct in what I gather from all of this, lemme bust out some semi-quasi-pseudo-legalese for the sake of posterity . . .

1 - Looks like the major point here is that the inverters looked like a good way to go, but turned out to have a fatal flaw (quite literally), and don't work for the purpose intended when this thread was started. It's a shame this information wasn't known sooner, like before the money was spent on them. The bright side reveals that the information is available from now forward.

2 - Compu wants a dead one to play with to see if it's a reasonable task to revise the design to alleviate the flaw. Doesn't sound unreasonable, provided any terms in acquiring said 'mortalized' inverter are agreed upon by both parties involved, should an exchange of goods take place.

. . . If I'm right, then what's the point in arguing this? The points have been made.

Urine droplet concentration wars are a fact of life, but I don't see the point in this particular scenario where it's worth getting into anything over. Any chance we can just dust off the egos and move on here?

Steve

PS - Compu - the forum automatically word-wraps to the next line when you're typing... any chance you can let it do it's job? Sometimes the pages in here can get long enough as it is; pressing enter at the end of each line on your screen only frustrates those of us with wider displays by making the pages excessively long... Thanks.

[fabricator]

Too late, all the misunderstandings here have pretty much been straightened out.