ported pump, tuneable, very effecient, high flow.

[loadstone]

Hope this is the right place for this, if not please tell me. Thought i would share my findings and work for others to benefit.

I have no idea what to call this pump but, finished the prototype and paperwork for patent app. Made a crude video with my cell phone. you can see it here here www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXaq0dNqqOE here www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXaq0dNqqOE The one shown in the video is not the Final product. I finally found a place where I live to supply marine bearings. Please do not think I am trying to sell this (make money from this board). It is very effecient and can help others.....that is all I am after here. I have other applications (water craft) that I hope will turn a profit from it. Please post your finding for others to benefit as well.

Jon

[RP]

Does the inlet tube spin also?

If so, I wonder if you could make it (somewhat) self priming by inserting a spring into your inlet tube to act like an Archimedean screw to lift some water up into the main bore.

The spring would need to be just under the ID of the inlet tube, course-wound and in the appropriate direction to screw water up the tube.

[wdyasq]

Looks interesting - enjoy,

Ron

[TomW]

So this was your purpose in posting here  all along.

[taylorp035]

I wish I would of thought of that  

I'm not too sure that making the holes smaller and having more of them will increase performance.  The increased drag caused by the water viscosity may become too high (more surface area in little tubes).  I would think that larger holes might work better on your scale, maybe 3/8".  If you were to stagger the holes vertically in each row so they don't run into each other as much in the center, it may help performance.


If you could get the top of the pump sealed well, then you could put a brushless outrunner airplane motor on the pump if you wanted to go the DC route.  


This is really cool.  Some type of sealed bearing on the top is definitely necessary, or a spring loaded rotary shaft seal would work too.

[rossw]

So this was your purpose in posting here  all along.

Ahh, but the joke is on him now....

He posted it all here, in a public forum, complete with videos etc, BEFORE his patent application, if we are to believe the above statement "finished the prototype and paperwork for patent app."...

So... after he goes through all the cost of patent application/approval, *ANYONE IN THE WORLD* can produce this forum as prior public release and have his patent thrown out (as I understand it)

[artv]

Hi Jon,...seems this thread is spreading out all over the place...
"Thought i would share my findings for others to benefit".........I would like to try and duplicate what your video showed....
A break-down drawing would be of considerable help....
Or are you here just to try and get ideas to help you complete your patent??...If so I think your (sol)....
Also I don't recall you saying how many gallons per minute,....maybe I missed it..........in the video you pumped from one barrel to the next,...what would happen if you were pumping 20 feet straight up??
The thought of using the weight of water seems to make more sense than propellers (IMHO)....
Still looking forward to that drawing...... thanks...........artv

[loadstone]

Hello All,

Wish they would of told me where they moved this post too. Anyway, I really do not give a care if anyone posts this as proof that the information was made public. In the United States you have up to one year to file once making an idea public. I am getting to the age where I am less and less concerned who finds out about what, or who gets credit for whatever. I am more interested in helping others in making their life better, especially when it comes to water. I have seen too many people die from lack of potable drinking water, and have dug my share of graves to put them in. My idea that I applied for a patent was on an offshoot of this idea. Thank you for all your participation. The joke is never on the person with the idea it is on the rest of the people who think that this world is only about them.

Jon

Thanks, I will help you out with what ever info I have to develop this for those who need it most. Here is a family from the current water project I am working on here in Guatemala

[Volvo farmer]

Also I don't recall you saying how many gallons per minute,....maybe I missed it..........in the video you pumped from one barrel to the next,...what would happen if you were pumping 20 feet straight up??
 

That was my fist thought as well. Moving a bunch of water at 1'-3' head pressure is useful in some situations, but many pumps in use today need to overcome much higher head pressures to achieve their intended objectives.  If you can't pull water up from a 20' shallow well with the thing, I don't know how much commercial viability it would have.

[loadstone]

No pump can siphon higher than 1 atm. If that is what you were talking about. As far as pumping to various heights this pump is a cf pump. The main difference is it can be made to whatever psi at what ever gpm. If you have a need for 90 psi at 40,000 gpm it is very capable of this. or if you want it as a recirculating fish aquarium pump, this is not a problem either.

Jon

No the outside tube does not spin just the inside cyl. It has to be a submersible pump. It is not self priming. An arcmedian screw is not a bad idea...might be cost inhibiting though. perhaps a good check valve for the initial priming.

Taylorp035, The idea of more holes is more gpm, and the rpm/diameter of the drum, effect psi/height that you need for your situation.

Rossw, Since I do not want to make these posts as a diary entries because for me there is no need to further develop this for my situation. can you move this to Remote living-Water like is mentioned in the posting guidelines. O and sorry that you had to delete my other attempts at starting the new topics in the remote living section. Since they disappeared as soon as I posted them I thought I was doing something wrong, I would of stopped posting if I would of been told where you moved the topic to. Sorry for the inconvenience.

posting rules-"Hydro -- electricity from moving water.  Again, this is about hydro electric systems.  Please don't post here about well pumps or anything like that -  there is a section in remote living for that.  Please don't post about generating electricity from your urban water tap or your rain gutters!  It won't work and it's been discussed plenty before!"

[rossw]

Wish they would of told me where they moved this post too.

If you're referring to the other, almost identical post to this, I removed it and sent you an email about it.
I suggest you:
 (a) read that email
 (b) familiarise yourself with the do's and don'ts of the forum.

[loadstone]

Yes you did and here is a copy of what you sent with a screen shot of my message center.

Jon

Mate, your pump looks nice, and I know you're justifiably proud of it - but please, we don't need eleven million threads about it.
I've removed the 3rd or 4th one.
If more appear, expect them to be deleted, and your posting privileges withdrawn for a while.

[rossw]

Yes you did and here is a copy of what you sent with a screen shot of my message center.

Suit yourself, it was sent privately out of consideration for you, and to "cut you some slack" as a new user to the forum.

The message I deleted has drawn comments from other moderator/administrator types on the forum who think I wasn't strict enough, so let me just be quite clear that my understanding of the acceptable use of the forum does not include a "newby" posting for commercial benefit, and *anyone* - new or superhero - starting multiple threads with virtually identical content within such a short space of time.

[loadstone]

So what happend to the post where you told me where you moved the topic to.....and what are you talking about, "commercial" i have not nor will i ask for money or sell anything. Why am i guilty of something, i never even considered? ahhh just drop it, nevermind, its something im just not understanding, did'nt mean to offend you. I honestly thought i was not starting the topics Incorrectly and thats why they werent getting posted, since i wasn't told where the first one was moved to.

Have a great evening,

Jon

[rossw]

So what happend to the post where you told me where you moved the topic to.

At least 4 times, I said "deleted" or "removed".

....and what are you talking about, "commercial" i have not nor will i ask for money or sell anything.

'twas you who said

I have other applications (water craft) that I hope will turn a profit from it.

[loadstone]

Please do not think I am trying to sell this (make money from this board). It is very efficient and can help others.....that is all I am after here. I have other applications (water craft) that I hope will turn a profit from it.

Sorry for not making the above clearer. I will not sell anything here.

Sorry, I was not aware you were deleting or moving my messages until after I had already made various attempts at posting them, thinking that I was doing something wrong, I stopped when I read your pm, but thought it was strange, because you didn't mention where you were moving the topics to. I did a search and found it.  Before I made the new topics I sent a private message to Dan telling him sorry, and he was justifiable for locking the topic because I started talking about things that were not to be talked about in Hydro. I told him I was starting 2 other topics, guess I should of made sure to send you a copy also.

Sorry for the misunderstandings

volvo farmer it pumped 65 gallons per minute with a frozen/difficult to move by hand bearing. good luck

RP - I like the idea about a spring, that in and of itself would make an interesting pump, but the inlet tube doesnt spin.

In the video the lighting is bad, but the barrel was less than half full when I started. I think the pump was on for 30 seconds.

Jon

[loadstone]

Rossw, Since I do not want to make these posts as a diary entries because for me there is no need to further develop this for my situation. can you move this to Remote living-Water like is mentioned in the posting guidelines. O and sorry that you had to delete my other attempts at starting the new topics in the remote living section. Since they disappeared as soon as I posted them I thought I was doing something wrong, I would of stopped posting if I would of been told where you moved the topic to. Sorry for the inconvenience.

posting rules-"Hydro -- electricity from moving water.  Again, this is about hydro electric systems.  Please don't post here about well pumps or anything like that -  there is a section in remote living for that.  Please don't post about generating electricity from your urban water tap or your rain gutters!  It won't work and it's been discussed plenty before!"

Thank you for considering this request, if not then this topic is dead unless somone else makes a comment.

[ghurd]

I have no idea what to call this pump but, finished the prototype and paperwork for patent app.

From wiki:
"The expressions "patent pending" (sometimes abbreviated by "pat. pend." or "pat. pending") or "patent applied for" refer to a warning that inventors are entitled to use in reference to their product or process once a patent application has been filed, but prior to the patent being issued or the application abandoned. The marking serves to notify potential infringers who would copy the invention that they may be liable for damages (including back-dated royalties), seizure, and injunction once a patent is issued."