@machinemaker, Yes and no, well Ive been to the backyardmetalcasting site but not his new one which as you mentioned is alloyavenue. Very inspiring and I would recommend the site to anyone. And thanks for the tip, Im new to metal casting and like anything there is a learning curve. The spoons for the water turbine were some of my first castings, and to be honest I wound up making the whole set at least twice before I was getting some that I was happy with, though still rough. And like I said before Im sure the design isnt perfect either as it was jus what I came up with after viewing some pelton spoons online from different sources.