thanks dan, not the comment i was looking for but a very accurite one, i keep a 30 gal trash can of fish food in the shop to feed fish in my pond along with five bails of hay in heavy trash bags that i use as an archery target, a couple of days ago i left the doors open to the shop and the wife desided to turn the horses into this area of the place for grass control. six horses spent the night destroying everything they could reach including a big box of solar cells, and three completed homebrew solar panels, while munching hay and fishfood. it will take some work to get the shop back in shape and finish asessing total damage. in the mean time fun goes on, pepa.