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Fishing reel alternator idea
« on: January 22, 2008, 04:40:07 PM »



I may be in the realms of fantasy here - again...


I had a thought that a fishing reel might lend itself well to a hand cranked alternator for use in emergencies and as a bit of fun :)


The spool could hold a wound coil (and be easily wound using the fishing reel) - single phase only I'm afraid.

Neo magnets on the spinning outer bit (with a few modifications).


The gearing is already in place, however the bobbing up and down spool might be an issue.


5-10 watts may be possible to charge a cellular phone on your next camping/fishing trip...


Thoughts welcomed - nice ones :)


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Re: Fishing reel alternator idea
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2008, 09:55:02 AM »
The bobbing up and down can be stopped, on most of them.


They spin at different ratios.  Look for a fast one.


Neat idea!  Hmmm. Maybe a micro VAWT?

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Re: Fishing reel alternator idea
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2008, 10:05:59 AM »
Nice reel;

 I say skip the VAWT load up some 7lbs line with 2lb test and go trout fishing.:-)


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Re: Fishing reel alternator idea
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2008, 10:31:49 AM »
you've got it bad now gotwind !!

i've already recked two perfectly good fishing reels screwing around like that.

lol
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Re: Fishing reel alternator idea
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2008, 12:33:01 PM »
Ha.

Yes electrondady1

My local Doctor(Dr Breeze) says my RE condition is terminal.


I queried , is that positive or negative? :)


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Re: Fishing reel alternator idea
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2008, 01:11:27 PM »
Try a stator and rotor assy from an old floppy drive. Might be just about right for the size. (I've got several I am playing with now.


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Re: Fishing reel alternator idea
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2008, 04:12:35 PM »
  Interesting Ben,  Does the string bobbin stay still while the outer part spins?  Sorry, I haven't been fishing since I moved from Florida ( 1959ish ).          


  My step father took me fishing when we moved here and I caught a couple fish and proceeded to cut them up... he asked what I was doing and I replied "making bait".  He said they don't get much bigger, those are keepers.   Well needless to say I never went again.   When your used to catching marlin and an occasional shark the 8 to 12 inch fish didn't seem that fun anymore...


  Ok... the reason I asked, if the spool is stationary you could make a cage or claw pole assembly around the coil and spin magnets around the cage.  You could make some fair power with that.  


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Re: Fishing reel alternator idea
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2008, 05:07:33 PM »
The spool does remain stationary on this type of reel. The bail assembly spins.


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Re: Fishing reel alternator idea
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2008, 05:16:53 PM »
if we use copper line instead of fishing line ,

can we make the lures glow ?

 and will it attract fish.?

then a large capacitor discharges and we can  electrocute the buggers.

i'm hungry!!
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Re: Fishing reel alternator idea
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2008, 06:28:17 PM »
I've got an old crank telephone generator for fishing :) (Private fishing hole)


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Re: Fishing reel alternator idea
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2008, 06:39:54 PM »
Hmmm...


Sharks find prey by, among other things, detecting the electric signals from muscle motion or cuts in the fish' skin.


(The hammerhead is so sensitive it can detect the heartbeat of a fish that has buried itself under sand.  That's what that "hammer" modification of its head is about:  A platform for electrical sensors.)  Other fish use a similar system - either alone, or (like the electric catfish) with modified muscles that produce strong electrical pulses which let the sensors detect discontinuities in the water's conductivity caused by the presence of the prey (in addition to being a weapon).  I wonder if an electrical signal down the string could fool electric-sensing fish into striking?


Also:  Pulses of electricity in the water make fish twitch their main swimming muscles - concave toward the (+) electrode.  Put a powerful enough pulsed source in the water and this makes them swim toward the electrode by pure reflex - until they get close enough that the current density stuns them and they float to the surface.  (Turn off the current and after a bit and the fish recovers and swims away.)  Electric eels seem to use this effect to force fish to swim toward their heads.  Probably not useful, though:  Takes too much power, is illegal in most jurisdictions, and would knock the fish out rather than getting it to strike.

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Re: Fishing reel alternator idea
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2008, 07:38:44 PM »
That is some amazing trivia about the eels and sharks.

Thanks for sharing
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Re: Fishing reel alternator idea
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2008, 07:33:12 AM »
What is the ratio on that one?

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Re: Fishing reel alternator idea
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2008, 10:01:14 AM »
 I wonder how the coil would react with magnets spinning around it. Would it get a skin effect? You wouldn't be cutting the coil legs... Should push the electrons, novel approach!
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Re: Fishing reel alternator idea
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2008, 01:02:43 PM »
I based it on the old tyre driven bike dynamos.

It uses a rotating central multi pole ceramic magnet within a single coil around the outside.




They are rated at 6v 3w, with Neodymium magnets I assume this can be increased.


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Re: Fishing reel alternator idea
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2008, 12:47:31 PM »
What about making the spools of magnet wire for a standard PMA with the reel?  It could wind coils for an axial PMA in seconds, neat and tidy.  Of course 16 gauge wire is a lot stiffer than fishing line...  But last year I was thinking along those lines myself.  I just didn't want to buy one just to wreck it.
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Re: Fishing reel alternator idea
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2008, 06:37:35 PM »
I believe that the spool on this reel is probably non-magnetic. Possibly Aluminum which would produce a mighty drag in a rotating magnetic field. It looks like a steel spool with the coils wound like on this alternator


http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2006/10/15/23529/947


Magnets times 4 attached to another steel cylinder for the rotating parts.


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