Generator sold by http://www.mwands.com, is it worth it?

[TheEquineFencer]

http://www.mwands.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7&products_id=498 The above link is a generator I'm curiuos about for a mill. How much windmill do you think it will take to run it? Is it worth the price? If not who sells something simular?

[dnix71]

You would need pulleys to make it run faster than your mill, if your mill is the homemade kind common here. A homemade mill should be running a couple hundred rpm max. That will present startup problems in low wind unless the mill is quite large.

Being forced to gear it up isn't necessarily bad in this case since a rebuilt automobile alternator was not designed to have a huge blade mounted directly on the front shaft. There is nothing in the ad about the permitted bearing loadings. A direct bolt-on blade might thrust back enough to shove the shaft right out the back of the housing.

It doesn't come with a fan, either. That's cheap and dumb. You could go to an auto parts supplier for a fan and probably get one used from a returned core and have it pressed on, but the person selling this should have included one.

[tanner0441]

Hi

The numbers are meaningless, the voltage is obviously open circuit and the amps are probably shorted.  You need to know how many amps it gives for a given shaft speed into a 12V battery.

Starts in low wind... Until it reaches cuttin it doesn't matter how slow it starts, and at the end of the day it is a car alternator by another name, it may have a bearing at the shaft end but most likely only has a bush on the other end and not designed to run continuously.

Read elsewhere on here and see what people say about them, the two threads on lightweight wind turbines currently running would be a good start.

Brian.

[Frank S]

I somehow doubt that it would produce 770 watts at 1000 RPM that would mean that as stock it would produce 58 amps@ 13.2 VDC @ 1000 RPM Sorry but I don't see it happening . an engine idling @ 700 Rpm would be spinning an ALT at 1000 and they barely produce full charging voltage @ that rpm let alone full amps but that is just my opinion.

[bob g]

i have long been an active opponent of these units, converted delco alternators for the most part are a joke!

however, i took a look at the unit being offered, and at least they seem to be trying to be honest about its abilities.

it appears to maybe put out a hundred watts at 300rpm, which is about right for a rotor/blade set appropriate for the brgs in the alternator and a windspeed of over 20 something mph...

on a very good day i bet it would struggle to make 15-20watts given the windspeed most folks around here have to work with on average.

whether it is worth the expense?  how much does a 25watt solar panel cost these days?

and you don't have to climb a pole to mount a solar panel, at least not a tall one.

bob g

[getterdone]

dont buy it. look at my post in products review. the Missouri Wind machine is nothing more than one of thease. they might produce enough power to keep one small size batt. to float if you dont use any of the batteries power, say one dome light.

[Steadfast]

Don't buy one... YET...
At this time in our technology the delcos have NOT been developed enough to be efficient.

I have an experimental delco rebuild PMA coming to me, hand built and designed by the owner of Hurricane to be tested; which boasts much more powerful eliptical magnents and a uniquely designed stator in it, and claims to have been modified to cut in at 150 RPMs under load, and produces an alarming anmount of amps, in a low wind region.  As of today, It is the only one of its kind... and so far has taken 3 months of development, and counting, to take delivery.
Heck, we don't even know if it will work up in actual air... yet... 

I am hopeful and "for it", but realisticly Couscous, and will report the truth of its output either way. However, there are MANY valid reasons why folks around here are sceptical even about this untested PMA so far.

So, If it does work, as the inventor of it hopes it will, it will be a BIG advancement for the delcos.
And, If it works as hoped, THEN, only after they can reliably make more of them, will we have something worth endorsing that you buy, in the delco rebuild dept.

If you want to fallow this experiment live and watch as it succeeds or fails,
see this topic:
http://www.fieldlines.com/index.php/topic,146527.650.html

[bob g]

i would be willing to bet, the custom delco is not going to produce anywhere near advertized, it just isn't going to happen.

i don't care what kind of magnets they put into it either, the machine is just too small to get the required rim speed needed to make any real power at low wind speeds.

these guys that are selling these things and making such claims are damaging to everything good about windpower.

he can claim custom designed stator too, it is too small, to tight to pack wire into and just a mess in my opinion.

i have been custom rewinding stators for alternators for the better part of 32 years now, and as far as i am concerned these guys are starting with a delco because it is cheap, widely available and thought of as being a great little alternator (which it is for what it was designed for, automotive).

i might get onboard with them, had they started with a large frame alternator, but then again they would have to start with a core that is about 150 bucks before rewind and magnets, then the finished cost would be about a grand and the output would still be well under 500 watts in reasonable wind.

i know everyone wants an off the shelf wind power solution, however if one wants more than 50 watts in reasonable winds (read that ~12mph) he ought to just buck up and build an axial like everyone else that is serious, or spend the very real bucks for a proven design by someone that has been in the industry for longer than maybe 10 years, and that has some solid third party testing results.

these delco's are a joke!

in closing, one must also consider cooling requirements of a small delco alternator, at 150-300rpm there is no where near enough airflow to cool the stator "if" the machine makes more than about 100watts on a continuous basis... furthermore if the machine were to make the kind of power these guys claim (when i speak of these guys, i mean everyone that makes and sells these things) at the low wind speeds advertised they would go thermonuclear in less than a couple minutes.

now having said all that, it's not all doom and gloom, it is possible via a gear train to get the delco spinning fast enough to make some power, but even then my bet is one is going to hard pressed to get more than a a few hundred watts at anything under a 20mph wind.

but then again, if you are going to go to the trouble of a gear train you ought to look into something more able to take advantage of the work involved.

bob g

[fabricator]

The people who are selling those things are lying, cheating, filthy, scammers, their numbers are lies used in a way to make those delco clones look good to people who know nothing about generating real wind power.
Steadfast fell for the scam, as have hundreds of others ask Steadfast how his red delco is working for him, the scammer that sold it to him found out it was going to be compared to a real wind generator and has failed to deliver for the last six two months.
These delco scams are the worst thing that can happen to wind energy, people get their hopes up and they are completely dashed by these thieving liars.
This board needs a sticky with an explanation of this scam, we hear this over and over and over again, then we hear "What can I do to make the scam turbine I bought make actual electricity?'

[ChrisOlson]

I have an experimental delco rebuild PMA coming to me, hand built and designed by the owner of Hurricane to be tested; which boasts much more powerful eliptical magnents and a uniquely designed stator in it,

Yeah, I'm working on a Turquoise Delco with pyramid magnets in it.  When the turbine faces due north the pyramid magnets align with the Galactic Force and concentrate Cosmic Rays on the special stator with a core made of the hair of albino camels.  The stator winding, of course, is interwoven with the camel hair core and this provides a 3,000% boost in output at only 1.7 mph wind speed.  You don't even need to string wires down the tower because when it energizes the Turquoise Delco is surrounded by a glowing halo and a big spark jumps from the halo to your batteries.

It completely defies Ohm's Law.

Send me 500 bucks and I should be able to have an experimental one I could send you in a year or two.
--
Chris

[tecker]

Basiclly the second Phase and the wye connection is the problem . I like the claw with doughnuts , loose the wye and pulse the second phase at low rpm I'll post a build with circuits .
 Of coarse a geared blade set will work also ,gear belt etc .
 
 
 
 

[Steadfast]

Ha ha ha ha ha... you guys kill me.... too funny....
And most likly true too... 

But, as tempting as it is to agree with you, I gotta stay objective.... he he he. 

Soon...we will see...
and you guys know well that I have zero problem eating crow...

When the data shows it.
I like crow!
But... there is a side of me that hopes (against all odds)
that it is you guys that belly up to the bar in the end... not me...

now... THAT .... would be fun to see.

[Bruce S]

ChrisO;
Are you using the Turquoise with the pearlized moon rocks in it?
I heard that once going the solar panels close by will start to produce at night too.
Just check'n
Bruce S

[Steadfast]

awesome....

[ChrisOlson]

ChrisO;
Are you using the Turquoise with the pearlized moon rocks in it?
I heard that once going the solar panels close by will start to produce at night too.
Just check'n

Yeah.  The solar panels work at night off the light from the halo.
--
Chris

[Steadfast]

I didn't know that Jesus gave away Turquoise with the pearlized moon rocks to all his saints!!!

Cool...where can I get me some!

[Bruce S]

SF;
 Just follow Chris' destructions above, he'll get back to you when he has them perfected  .

ALL kidding aside, though and possibly back on track for the OP.
NONE of the Delco alternator based 'miils I've seen upclose and personal are even close to producing 1/4 what they say. The ones I'm told are doing so are up on a pole , with no meters on them so I can see first hand. Sellers won't let me hang an analog meter, they tell me if I disconnect a wire, it'll free-wheel and could damage the mill, even on a day when those blades are not moving an inch. I at a couple times took along a fluke clamp on meter, so NO wire hand to be removed. I was asked to leave.
My secret? I go to the "free energy" workshops up in NW Missouri when I see who's going to be there.
For the most part everyone else is upfront with costs and output ( I usually hang out with the Bio-D guys) , BUT when the windmill guys showing off those Delco units show up I get my meters out.
Too many of them now know me by sight , and have their "staff" stand in my way.
SF>> I really do hope he ships the unit, I've been off the air for a few days (25th Wedding anniv  ) So I'm not sure where it stands at this point, BUT I do hope it arrives so we can all stop waiting.

OP>> my straight up answer? NO
Bruce S

[ChrisOlson]

I didn't know that Jesus gave away Turquoise with the pearlized moon rocks to all his saints!!!

It don't have pearlized moon rocks.  It's just Turquoise with chrome valve covers and dual Holley Dominators to provide a little extra intake flow for proper cooling.
--
Chris

[spottrouble]

I can't believe none of you remembered the exceptional anti-friction properties of the highly refined snake oil lubricated bearings

Kristi

[windvision]

Steadfast:

  Will the turbine actually make it above the treeline with the new tower? Just wondering...

[Steadfast]

Actually, it looks like it is going to end up being 35 ft...so YES... 

[dnix71]

The Delco wind alternator claims remind me of the GM Turbo Encabulator.


"Work has been proceeding in order to bring perfection to the crudely conceived idea of a machine that would not only supply inverse reactive current for use in unilateral phase detractors, but would also be capable of automatically synchronizing cardinal grammeters. Such a machine is the "Turbo-Encabulator."

The original machine had a base-plate of prefabulated amulite, surmounted by a malleable logarithmic casing in such a way that the two spurving bearings were in a direct line with the pentametric fan. The main winding was of the normal lotus-o-delta type placed in panendermic semi-boloid slots in the stator, every seventh conductor being connected by a nonreversible trem'e pipe to the differential girdlespring on the 'up' end of the grammeters.

Forty-one manestically spaced grouting brushes were arranged to feed into the rotor slipstream a mixture of high S-value phenylhydrobenzamine and 5% reminative tetryliodohexamine. Both of these liquids have specific pericosities given by P = 2.5C.n^6-7 where n is the diathetical evolute of retrograde temperature phase disposition and C is Cholmondeley's annular grillage coefficient. Initially, n was measured with the aid of a metapolar refractive pilfrometer, but up to the present date nothing has been found to equal the transcendental hopper dadoscope. Undoubtedly, the turbo-encabulator has now reached a very high level of technical development. It has been successfully used for operating nofer trunnions. In addition, whenever a barescent skor motion is required, it may be employed in conjunction with a drawn reciprocating dingle arm to reduce sinusoidal depleneration."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0bx_Ooq4

[fabricator]

Tony's probably just putting the finishing touches on the grouting brushes, they have to be absolutely perfectly spaced.

[Mastiffman]

The Delco wind alternator claims remind me of the GM Turbo Encabulator.


"Work has been proceeding in order to bring perfection to the crudely conceived idea of a machine that would not only supply inverse reactive current for use in unilateral phase detractors, but would also be capable of automatically synchronizing cardinal grammeters. Such a machine is the "Turbo-Encabulator."

The original machine had a base-plate of prefabulated amulite, surmounted by a malleable logarithmic casing in such a way that the two spurving bearings were in a direct line with the pentametric fan. The main winding was of the normal lotus-o-delta type placed in panendermic semi-boloid slots in the stator, every seventh conductor being connected by a nonreversible trem'e pipe to the differential girdlespring on the 'up' end of the grammeters.

Forty-one manestically spaced grouting brushes were arranged to feed into the rotor slipstream a mixture of high S-value phenylhydrobenzamine and 5% reminative tetryliodohexamine. Both of these liquids have specific pericosities given by P = 2.5C.n^6-7 where n is the diathetical evolute of retrograde temperature phase disposition and C is Cholmondeley's annular grillage coefficient. Initially, n was measured with the aid of a metapolar refractive pilfrometer, but up to the present date nothing has been found to equal the transcendental hopper dadoscope. Undoubtedly, the turbo-encabulator has now reached a very high level of technical development. It has been successfully used for operating nofer trunnions. In addition, whenever a barescent skor motion is required, it may be employed in conjunction with a drawn reciprocating dingle arm to reduce sinusoidal depleneration."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0bx_Ooq4

 Flux Muster and Dingle Arms!? LOL- Nice...

 I voted no on Alternator... To be honest though. Anyone Serious abuot wind power wouldn't let a silly little scam discourage them. Why not build an Axial mill if the neccessity is there.

[midwoud1]

 Several times seen the word wench.
 A wench must be a female hoist.

[Bruce S]

The Delco wind alternator claims remind me of the GM Turbo Encabulator.

I'm sorry to announce this guy's hydrosylator discombulated minutes after this videographticalliter was infracted. There were no survivors. 

[ChrisOlson]

You can talk about Delcos but you can't say Missouri Wind and Solar .....uhhhhhh, I mean Misery Wine and Supper........ without getting sued:
http://youtu.be/u0I3ENVzIVI

People are going to be getting sued all summer.  Once fall gets here the suing will stop, I assume.  They just specified summer.

It's on YouTube so its true.

ROTFLMFAO!
--
Chris

[Watt]

You can talk about Delcos but you can't say Missouri Wind and Solar .....uhhhhhh, I mean Misery Wine and Supper........ without getting sued:
http://youtu.be/u0I3ENVzIVI

People are going to be getting sued all summer.  Once fall gets here the suing will stop, I assume.  They just specified summer.

It's on YouTube so its true.

ROTFLMFAO!
--
Chris

I wonder what court these cases will be brought up in and what jurisdiction?  It would be a hoot to show up and be witness to the counter claims.  Good find Chris.

[spottrouble]

Yep, saw that a night or two ago, thats a new business model, wish I'd thought of it, LOL

Kristi

[Frank S]

Awww He has his panties in a bunch.
 I would have 1 suggestion to that company if you build a quality product or represent and sell a quality product people will praise you to the top of the world.
 If you publish data that can not be substantiated or over states claims people will treat your company like the dirt on the soles of their shoes.
  I might claim that I have  come up with a harmonically stable flux capacitor that doesn't require 1.4 gigahertz  and only needs to reach 22 MPH to work and that it will function on a bicycle. Then some Tour De France rider buys it and installs it on his bicycle then loses the race.
 He puts up a video of how crappy my invention is calls me names because he thinks that I misrepresented my doodad.
 I start to lose money I decide to sue him and everyone else
 Who do you think would win that fight? NOT ME!!!

[Bruce S]

Good and I sure hope I'm close enough to attend. It'll be interesting to say the least

[ghurd]

and dual Holley Dominators

Funny you should mention that.
I just put them on my new car too.
Between the efficiency of a hybred, the tunnel ram effect, the blower in the trunk, th turbo in the mail, and the and the ultra high speed (as related to Einstein's Theory of Relativity), I have to stop at a gas station to have the fuel drained every 2 or 3 days.
G-
(no calculators or wrenches or actual real tests were involved in this photo, so I believe this post is relevenant)

[Tritium]

Glen, Your just messing with us. We know that you are really getting what you claim from a "Red Delco" hidden under the hood!

Thurmond