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Jerry

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Two faced GM alt.
« on: March 25, 2006, 05:44:56 AM »
We were discusing the GM alt below in another diary. Thought I'd make a new diary about my 2 faced GM alt I did a couple years back. I think some of you were intrested?


I had been doing ac motor conversions at the time. I found that in some motors it was easyer to use an armature from a diferant motor rather then the original.


This is true of the Garbogen. When the old #29 curved NEOs are used in a garbage disposa motor conversion (now you know why its called the Garbogen) the original armature is way to short for the #29 magnets. Therefor I use an armature from a 6 pole furnace blower motors.


Because of this I've got quite a collection of garbage disposal motor armatures.


Now I dicided to try some mods to the GM alt. The original rotor in the GM alt has 14 fingers. Some folks have machined down the fingers a glude magnets directly to the fingers.


I went back to my idea of useing a diferant armature in the conversion. Hence the garbage disposal armature that had no other use. There shafts are short but just long enough for this conversion. The shaft is 5/8" in most. Problem is the GM alt has a diferant shaft size. The front bearing can be swaped out for the right size bearing but the rear bearing is part of the rear housing so no changing there.


Works out it real easy to just use 2 GM alt fronts and replace the bearings to proper size.


Next on this alt I wire all 3 phases to there own and seperate fullwave  bridge diode and then wire the DC outputs of these diode bridges in sires. I also conected a large value elect. cap to the DC terminals of each bridge.


This is the way to get the highest voltage at the lowest rpm out of this GM car alt.

This voltage will be almost twice the voltage of star.


The Garbogen armature in this mod was fitted with 14 each 1"X 1/2"X 1/4" NEOs.


I used plastic spacers between the magnets. The spacers are screwed down with stainless stell screws and the magnets and spacers are glude with epoxi.


This armature coggs bad. I sugjest a dounught NEO in a stock armature is a better way. Power is a littel less but cogging is mild.


OK now a sires of pix. At the back of the alt you can see the seperate wires for each phase there collor coded to keep things correct.


You can just make out the sires jumpers between the dc part of the diode bridges. The plus and minus are taken off at the caps.

























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Re: Two faced GM alt.
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2006, 06:23:55 AM »
Thanks Jerry

I just picked up last week two old Delco

Alt's. (I had remembered reading about using

two fronts, so I tried to get a matched set)


A couple questions-



  1. How long are the garbage rotors?
  2. "a large value elect. cap", Value?


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Jerry

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Re: Two faced GM alt.
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2006, 09:23:59 AM »
Hi coldspot.


The shaft on the garbage armature is 6" long. The lamination portion is 1" & 3/8" long.


The #29s are 1.75" long.


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Re: Two faced GM alt.
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2006, 10:07:31 PM »
Thanks Jerry.

I think I saw this one once before but while looking for info on the doughtnut Neo one I could not find this one either so thanks for posting it again.


You say this one with bar neos and armature cogs, the Neo ring is better for less cogging but a bit less power? I dug out the GM alt. I had for this today while working on another conversion but did not get to work on the alternator yet. I have several, the main one I got just for this I think is a 100amp, but all of them are 12V, no 24V here.


Once I build the rotor, if I am not getting enough power any suggestions for rewinding these? I will if I have to later for more power.


 

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Re: Two faced GM alt.
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2006, 12:22:21 PM »
Really nice work.


What about fixing

two car alts together

so that there is one

rotor twice of the length

of the original rotors and the stators

fixed together after each others?





- Hannu

« Last Edit: March 26, 2006, 12:22:21 PM by hvirtane »

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Re: Two faced GM alt.
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2006, 05:52:57 PM »
Jerry,

Any Idea the force required to press apart the rotor for the Alt? I thought 12ton would be plenty, is my press just junk or does it really take 20tons? I bent my press yesterday!


http://www.grizzly.com/products/H6229


That is the 12ton press I bought, first it was missing a spring when I got it home, the sent my the springs, about 5 days, I used it first time yesterday and bent the shaft and plate the jack sits on :(

 Alt. rotor still not apart!

« Last Edit: March 27, 2006, 05:52:57 PM by nothing to lose »

Jerry

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Re: Two faced GM alt.
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2006, 07:58:52 PM »
I think Ed showes a rewind on his site and there is another site that shows serpiteen or wave winding of smaller wire more turns. The site is called Scietific somthin or other?


I'm sure someone knows?


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Re: Two faced GM alt.
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2006, 08:02:08 PM »
I had thought of this befor Hannu. But the idea never went past just a thought.


Should work though I would think? I think however theres more power to be hade with AC motor conversions with less work.


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Re: Two faced GM alt.
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2006, 08:06:49 PM »
Another thought and I did test this was to use a small tape drive motor genny to power the rotor coil.


Since the rotor coil only requiers about 50 watts the TDM was able to power the GM alt rotor coil. Then do the other mods on the GM alt. Fly it stock but with coil changes.


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Re: Two faced GM alt.
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2006, 02:03:47 AM »
Yes. 'WindstuffEd'

http://www.windstuffnow.com

has got really good information about

rewinding and modifying car alternators.


There are good, ready made modified

car alternator stators available at:

http://www.mtmscientific.com/


- Hannu

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